Do you feel sad for people born today?
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What kind of numbers are you going after?
I mean, probably you want numbers to prove that climate change is changing politics and economics, etc. for the worse, or maybe just numbers for proving that climate change is real.
But both of these seem like such trivial information that I'm probably just guessing wrong. But because of that, I'd be curious to know: what kind of numbers did you mean?
I can probably help digging up some for you, but not if you just meant "prove that climate change exists". But, numbers proving that economy will suffer from climate change should be easy to find. (And I think you could just search for them yourself...)
The goal posts are just going to be moved if you produce anything with numbers on it.
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I think you may just need to talk to somebody this comment is out of my depth.
We’re all talking now. I don’t find that perspective to be one that equates uniquely to a depressed person. That perspective is relatively prevalent within this thread, but also somewhat prevalent within social circles that I find myself in.
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VERY specific people would have been better off born 20 years ago.
The vast majority of people would be better off today.
You can imagine in another 20 years that would be different, but almost everyone is better off today than they were 20 years ago, and they will be even better 20 years from now than today.
Specific groups may have a harder time in one time period or another, but society at large is getting better at the world scale over the long term. Hope still exists.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I was born over 40 years ago. I feel like there was a general consensus in the 80’s that kids being born then absolutely would be “better off” than their parents.
Reality is sinking in and we’re seeing that wasn’t the case for a lot of people.
The fact that questionability surrounding “if kids born today will be better off than their parents” even exists today seems to suggest that they will not.
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Well, hopefully you at least feel thankful that so many of your ancestors brought children into a world much more filled with pain and suffering and death than today.
I'm not, lmao. My life sucks. Wtf is with all the breeders here trying to justify their contributions to climate change!? There is immensely more pain and suffering in our immediate future than there was at any point in human history. We are literally looking at the end of humanity here.
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I think that, no matter when you were born in history, there were trials and tribulations.
Yes, but there were definitely parts of history where we looked towards the future and wanted to make something awesome. Where we were hopeful.
Today it seems we already know we're on a completely fucked trajectory. That time is running out, but the people who care don't have the power, and the people with power think nothing can touch them.
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I'm not, lmao. My life sucks. Wtf is with all the breeders here trying to justify their contributions to climate change!? There is immensely more pain and suffering in our immediate future than there was at any point in human history. We are literally looking at the end of humanity here.
Breeders, oy..... So wtf you still doing here if so miserable and zero hope?
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We’re all talking now. I don’t find that perspective to be one that equates uniquely to a depressed person. That perspective is relatively prevalent within this thread, but also somewhat prevalent within social circles that I find myself in.
"my life is so miserable that I would rather see the continuation of the species voluntarily end that risk someone else suffers like me" is depression. Maybe it's not suicidal depression, but it probably requires intervention.
Maybe it's just immature edgelord BS, but if not that's a serious problem.
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"my life is so miserable that I would rather see the continuation of the species voluntarily end that risk someone else suffers like me" is depression. Maybe it's not suicidal depression, but it probably requires intervention.
Maybe it's just immature edgelord BS, but if not that's a serious problem.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I really think you’re missing the target entirely.
There’s not a biological imperative for humans to reproduce. It’s pretty egotistical to assume that your species “deserves” to exist. Can you tell me what about our species is so special?
Calling something “a problem,” and failing to articulate on what specifically makes it a problem is MAGA level thinking.
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I'm not, lmao. My life sucks. Wtf is with all the breeders here trying to justify their contributions to climate change!? There is immensely more pain and suffering in our immediate future than there was at any point in human history. We are literally looking at the end of humanity here.
Oh, and are you not contributing to climate change? Ok for you tho, just not kids?
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
It’s the main reason I’m not having children. While there are other reasons the main one is a combination of global warming made worse by late stage capitalism and the resulting political instability that comes with that.
While I refuse to make the choice to bring someone new into this world myself I do see it as my duty to help as many of the kids around me who were brought into this world regardless. The world they were bron into is not their fault and I appreciate being able to use my resources to help them and their parents.
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My children are still very young, but oh are they happy!
They are enjoying their life and no future suffering will ever take that away from them.
I wouldn't want to deny those awesome humans their right to play as merrily as they do. To create, to enjoy life. They exist right now as well, in 2025 and 2026.
The end of life is always painful. Life is still worth it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's a very personal decision and I'm glad about every human that's not born on this crowded planet. But collectively not having children feels pretty bleak to me. Are we as a species already giving up, rolling on our backs and wait to go extinct? Come on! There is so much beauty and so much to do in this world.
My children are having a great time, they bring joy, purpose and chaos to my life. I love having them around, even though their future scares me. That has always been part of becoming a parent.
I feel like some doomer lemmings need to go outside a little more, instead of telling themselves and their screens how awful everything is. Life was brutal a century ago. -
I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
Since the industrial revolution, fossil fuels were the only affordable energy sources that could meet the demand of industrialized countries. Until 5-10 years ago.
We're now in a situation where most people can still pretend that climate change isn't serious, and the fossil fuel lobby is stronger than ever. And yet over 90% of new electricity generation is already renewable, because it has simply become cheaper than coal and gas power in the last years.
As climate impacts worsen, the pressure to decarbonize will only get larger. The lobbies have been fighting tooth and nail against the energy transition for over 40 years, but they are rapidly loosing ground now in most countries.
It's right to be alarmed about climate change, there will be serious long-term impacts, but it seems irrational to be completely fatalistic. Just comparing the battery prices and solar panel prices and ev market with 10 years ago reveals a truly massive shift. And this is just the beginning of the energy transition.
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Oh, and are you not contributing to climate change? Ok for you tho, just not kids?
Oh, I still am, but I'm not increasing my footprint exponentially by adding more lives to the equation.
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Breeders, oy..... So wtf you still doing here if so miserable and zero hope?
I'm here because I'm trying to figure out what's going on in your head. You're trying to justify having children when we're barrelling towards the most dire point of humanity's history, one that will potentially cause the extinction of our species, while the powers that be are putting their foot on the gas. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Yeah, I'm going to call you a breeder because it appears that your not practicing responsible parenthood, you're just breeding like an animal.
...unless you were trying to indirectly tell me to kill myself. If so then grow a pair and say it to my face. I'm still here because I know I'll hurt the people around me if I end my life. That's it. That's the only reason why I still live. I'm a trans gal in Texas. I don't have much to look forward to.
Do the rest of the world a favor and get yourself neutered, breeder.
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I'm here because I'm trying to figure out what's going on in your head. You're trying to justify having children when we're barrelling towards the most dire point of humanity's history, one that will potentially cause the extinction of our species, while the powers that be are putting their foot on the gas. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Yeah, I'm going to call you a breeder because it appears that your not practicing responsible parenthood, you're just breeding like an animal.
...unless you were trying to indirectly tell me to kill myself. If so then grow a pair and say it to my face. I'm still here because I know I'll hurt the people around me if I end my life. That's it. That's the only reason why I still live. I'm a trans gal in Texas. I don't have much to look forward to.
Do the rest of the world a favor and get yourself neutered, breeder.
I'm not trying, nor will I ever try, to justify a goddamned thing to a hateful fuck like you, just pointing out you're a logically inconsistent hypocrite.
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Since the industrial revolution, fossil fuels were the only affordable energy sources that could meet the demand of industrialized countries. Until 5-10 years ago.
We're now in a situation where most people can still pretend that climate change isn't serious, and the fossil fuel lobby is stronger than ever. And yet over 90% of new electricity generation is already renewable, because it has simply become cheaper than coal and gas power in the last years.
As climate impacts worsen, the pressure to decarbonize will only get larger. The lobbies have been fighting tooth and nail against the energy transition for over 40 years, but they are rapidly loosing ground now in most countries.
It's right to be alarmed about climate change, there will be serious long-term impacts, but it seems irrational to be completely fatalistic. Just comparing the battery prices and solar panel prices and ev market with 10 years ago reveals a truly massive shift. And this is just the beginning of the energy transition.
It's right to be alarmed about climate change, there will be serious long-term impacts, but it seems irrational to be completely fatalistic.
Ok, what about when you also factor in resource depletion? Is it right to be fatalistic yet?
Because from where I'm standing, it doesn't look like there's much of a future for anything on this planet when Global freshwater demand will exceed supply 40% by 2030, experts warn and 90 per cent of Earth’s topsoil is at risk of depletion by 2050.
How will the billions of children born in this decade, survive in an increasingly polluted and hot future, with no fresh water or arable land?
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Life will be harder but your kids might make it better for the others
Will you be telling your kids this? That you created them as a sacrifice for a chance at making life better for other people?
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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.
"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!
Yeah, the world is overrun with dragons right now. It sucks.
But I suppose it's about one's perspective as to the point of life: Is the ideal life one of ease and leisure or of purpose?
We can choose to spite the dragons by voluntarily going extinct, or we can pass down the very best of ourselves and be good examples to raise dragon slayers to take up the mantle, whilst learning from our missteps.
I choose a perspective of hope and responsibility to humanity.
Do not pray for an easy life. Pray for the strength to overcome a difficult one.
--Bruce LeeThere's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for.
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Breeders, oy..... So wtf you still doing here if so miserable and zero hope?
Lmao, did you really just tell someone to kill themselves because they don't want to have children?
And you think you respect life. What irony.
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Windows 11 laptops requires a webcam. The internet now wants selfies to prove that you are a certain age.
The kids now will grow up thinking that this is normal. That is what I am worried about.
We definitely need to be loud about counter-education campaigns against this.
Pushing the masses and the corporate status quo is a Herculean task, but even things as simple as retro computing and electronics / maker clubs and endeavors like Archive.org keep that spirit alive.
Heck, "The Indie Web" is even making a resurgence, many times in pure opposition to what the web has become. Things like this make me hopeful!
