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Elon Musk sells X to his own xAI for $33 billion in all-stock deal

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  • pandantic@midwest.socialP [email protected]

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    “X” is also 88 in ASCII.

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      Funny that people take this news as some kind of technological fusion between companies and not housekeeping of the dipshit's personal finances.

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        The incumbents will go broke.

        Who do you mean with that? Companies like OpenAI or Anthropic, or do you also include the likes of Google/Amazon/Microsoft?

        With the former I can see it, but the later also profit from providing the infrastructure (and have other profitable business), so imo those will be just fine.

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        I definitely see Google/Amazon/Microsoft shedding a huge amount of market cap when the time comes to write-off the 100s of billions they invested the past two years.

        They just don't have any feasible path to recouping those investments.

        Sure, they'll never go fully broke, that's just a nice word for emphasis.

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        • lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.caL [email protected]

          “X” is also 88 in ASCII.

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          Coincidence? I think not!

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          • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

            Who did that‽ It's so beautiful, it should be posted all over Xitter lol

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            I made this one. Thanks for the compliment! 😅

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            • lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.caL [email protected]

              “X” is also 88 in ASCII.

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              I did not know these things, but makes sense…

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                Well, not really. Twitter was his own private property that he bought with borrowed money secured against his Tesla shares. xAI on the other hand is financed by investors whose money he used to bail himself out at a price he made up himself since Twitter is no longer publicly traded. So this is, in my opinion, misuse of investor funds; the picture would be true if xAI used how own money to do this, but no.

                On one hand,I think this is serious fraud. On the other, my understanding for anyone investing into his companies is very limited, there are so many red flags on so many levels.

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                How to get a lawyer to investigate......

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                  I definitely see Google/Amazon/Microsoft shedding a huge amount of market cap when the time comes to write-off the 100s of billions they invested the past two years.

                  They just don't have any feasible path to recouping those investments.

                  Sure, they'll never go fully broke, that's just a nice word for emphasis.

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                  I actually think Google is going to win this one, they're the only ones making their own hardware to run their own models. Open ai are starting down that road but they're years behind.

                  When you look at the pricing of all the AI companies, Google's is so much cheaper (orders of magnitude) and they're not having to pay Nvidia billions to do it.

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                    Well, not really. Twitter was his own private property that he bought with borrowed money secured against his Tesla shares. xAI on the other hand is financed by investors whose money he used to bail himself out at a price he made up himself since Twitter is no longer publicly traded. So this is, in my opinion, misuse of investor funds; the picture would be true if xAI used how own money to do this, but no.

                    On one hand,I think this is serious fraud. On the other, my understanding for anyone investing into his companies is very limited, there are so many red flags on so many levels.

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                    yes its a perfect setup for a payoff.

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                      Is this so the loans secured with X stock can't be called in, forcing Elon to sell the collateral to pay back the loan?

                      Sure seems like a bullshit business move to retain control of Tesla.

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                        xAI's Partners:

                        A16Z, Blackrock, Fidelity Management & Research Company, Kingdom Holdings, Lightspeed, MGX, Morgan Stanley, OIA, QIA, Sequoia Capital, Valor Equity Partners, and Vy Capital, among others.

                        https://www.glopedia.org/wiki/xai-company

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                        So Saudi's etc now officially own Twitter.

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                          Funny that people take this news as some kind of technological fusion between companies and not housekeeping of the dipshit's personal finances.

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                          We don't have billions of dollars to have to do shit like this ourselves, so it doesn't seem real. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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                            Well, not really. Twitter was his own private property that he bought with borrowed money secured against his Tesla shares. xAI on the other hand is financed by investors whose money he used to bail himself out at a price he made up himself since Twitter is no longer publicly traded. So this is, in my opinion, misuse of investor funds; the picture would be true if xAI used how own money to do this, but no.

                            On one hand,I think this is serious fraud. On the other, my understanding for anyone investing into his companies is very limited, there are so many red flags on so many levels.

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                            I suspect the government(s) that represent the bulk of the funds behind xAI threw the money out to continue operating exactly as he has been.

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                              The incumbents will go broke.

                              Can't wait! Gonna stock up on some popcorn lmao

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                              And toilet paper. For whatever reason.

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                                I suspect the government(s) that represent the bulk of the funds behind xAI threw the money out to continue operating exactly as he has been.

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                                They thought all they were getting was a piece of the latest hype. Now they've got leverage over the entirety govt of the United Fucking States!

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                                  So hell get taxed for exchange of speculative assets right?... Right?!

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                                    So hell get taxed for exchange of speculative assets right?... Right?!

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                                    No because it's a loss, so he'll actually get 10bln in tax credit

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                                    • stalinwolf@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                                      His juvenile enthusiasm for the letter X is so ten-year-old boy with sunglasses.

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                                      He called the tesla models S3XY, and the 3 is only because Ford was gonna sue him if he used E.

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                                        yes its a perfect setup for a payoff.

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                                        Ah shit so maybe not fraud but bribery.

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                                          Well, not really. Twitter was his own private property that he bought with borrowed money secured against his Tesla shares. xAI on the other hand is financed by investors whose money he used to bail himself out at a price he made up himself since Twitter is no longer publicly traded. So this is, in my opinion, misuse of investor funds; the picture would be true if xAI used how own money to do this, but no.

                                          On one hand,I think this is serious fraud. On the other, my understanding for anyone investing into his companies is very limited, there are so many red flags on so many levels.

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                                          The investors have a seat in the board of directors in xAI, and for a shareholder deal you must have board approval. So at least more than 50% of the directors support this, meanings he is legally in the clear.

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