Media Afraid to Call Ethnic Cleansing by Its Name
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Other way round. Genocide is a type of ethnic cleansing.
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Yes, and you can destroy a group by means other than killing its members, such as forced sterilization, systematic abuse, or the transfer of children away from the community. It's the demo that's being killed, not necessarily its individual members.
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1929, Arab Muslims exterminate the Jewish community of Gaza that lived there to hundreds of years:
1947, Arab Muslims demand to own all the land, even Jewish owned land:
1948, still refusing to share, start a war to kill all Jews in the area and lose: How could the Jewzzzzzz be so Genocidal!!!1!1!1!
1948-60: Arab countries take ownership of all Jewish belonging and kick them out (with some mass murders in between):
1967: six days war Israel takes over Gaza and the West Bank
Peace agreements between Israel and Egypt and Jurden, they refuse to take back over the management of Gaza/West Bank cus shity population.
2000: Camp David, Israel offers Arafat a Palestinian country. He refuses cus he doesn't get all Israel.
Shit goes south from here.
2024: Hamas opens war on Israel, breaking a long ceasefire. Send militants into Israeli cities to murder civilans in their homes. Israel retaliate.
Retards - "how could Israel dooooo that?!?!?!?!"The "Palestinan leadership" missed every opertinity, and refused everything that doesn't include full ownership of the region. Including Jewish cities with communities that lived there from before Islam even existed.
Meanwhile Arabs inside Israel get equal rights and the younger generation gets into higher education and makes good money. Retards on lemmy: so genocide.
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This. Simply removing people of s certain ethnicity from a region without otherwise hurting them is ethnic cleansing but not genocide. It's still a crime against humanity, mostly, IMHO, because the "without otherwise hurting them" part rarely if ever happens.
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Yeah but by turning people away from the media we also isolate them from groups with similar ideals, forcing them into bubbles/echo-chambers which are easily radicalized to promote violence and insurgency.
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You're incorrect on this one. Abducting "enemy" children and brainwashing them is genocide. Erasing local language from books and signage is genocide. Part of the definition. You can kill an ethnicity by erasing it and not have to kill a single person.
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If you want to argue a dictionary then be my guest.
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The term kind of has the implication that things will be less dirty and more organised when it's done.
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maybe read the actual convention on genocide instead of relying on a dictionary then?
because the case of abducted children stated above is explicitly stated in the convention...the dictionary definition you found is simply wrong and incomplete.
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The definition isn't wrong, they just didn't read it correctly. Those things in the UN convention are methods that could be used to "cause the destruction of a people". They're spelled out to avoid people misinterpreting the definition just like they did.
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yes, true, but not exactly why i used the phrasing "wrong AND incomplete":
i wrote it that way, because without clarifying that "destruction" means many different things apart form the common interpretation of "to kill", it's difficult for a casual reader to know what the convention actually says.
if anyone wants to shorten the definition to fit into a dictionary, they should be more responsible in their phrasing, so that this exact problem is less likely to occur.
so i do fault merriam webster here for providing an incomplete, oversimplified definition.
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Genocide, ethnic cleansing, and mass-murder are just words.
And language is extremely important to how we think and form our understanding of the world.
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There's no such thing as just words.
Language is humanity's superpower. It's what allows us to share ideas, pass down knowledge generationaly, specialize labor, and form communities.
Words have meaning, and intentionally avoiding words that accurately describe events is incredibly harmful. There's a reason that when a school is bombed, they call a bunch of the 13-17yo victims "military-aged males" instead of "children."
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Words are important because 80% of the population is unable to assert reality and will accept whatever wording is provided to them. Even when provided with evidence in 4K.
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Pretty much. The Nazis thought of their thing that way, and as Wikipedia points out even used similar language, but fascists don't need more than a paper thin justification for why it's totally different this time to keep their rhetoric going. It's not based on logic, after all, and anyone making the obvious historical comparisons can just be cast as more victimisation of them for their "honesty".
We all are pretty comfortable calling Bosnia a genocide now, though, so they've moved on to new euphemisms like "remigration".
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Nobody is saying the dictionary is wrong, they're saying that there are international groups that have specific definitions for what qualifies as genocide and those don't necessarily line up with the dictionary. Saying the dictionary is wrong because of the organizations' use or the organizations are wrong because of the dictionary's use are both foolish.
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It can also mean displacement while genocide means the destruction, in whole or part, of a people. Things like the trail of tears are both: People were displaced, also, the US cared so little about native's lives that a quarter of the displaced straight-out died, which constitutes genocide. But it's in principle possible, and has occasionally happened, that the displacement doesn't go hand-in-hand with murder.
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I'd argue that the convention on genocide serves as a dictionary in this case. It's the most common and accepted definition, and it includes cultural forms of genocide, not just physical ones.
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Neither is wrong, they just serve different purposes. Dictionaries track usage of the general populace, not industry experts. It's wrong to use the dictionary as evidence that the convention on genocide is using the term incorrectly though, definitely.
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America did it to my people and never called it what it was and never made amends, and now Americans moralize to me about events across the planet lol
