Piefed has feeds now!
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Yes, that is high on the agenda.
Exciting! I’ll try to get my piefed running again then
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This will reduce the discourse quality significantly as it will bring in more drive-by comments from people not subscribed to the specific communities in question.
I hope there will be some way for communities to opt-out from this or maybe better require them to opt-in.
Possibly. (Subscribing to a feed does actually subscribe you to all the communities in the feed. So technically they are not drive-by comments by non-members. But I see what you mean.)
Discoverability is a huge huge problem with all federated platforms and this will significantly alleviate that.
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This will reduce the discourse quality significantly as it will bring in more drive-by comments from people not subscribed to the specific communities in question.
I hope there will be some way for communities to opt-out from this or maybe better require them to opt-in.
c/all is worse imo and with feeds you will at least have control over picking topics you're interested in unlike c/all. We should be focusing on opting out from c/all more as it causes far more damage and it's been that way for a long time unlike feeds on such a small platform that just got the feature implemented.
Also the opt-in would be a great way to KILL the entire feature that's been the most hyped up and requested feature across the entire threadiverse. BRUH
Imagine having all communities opted out from c/all by default. That would be stupid and make everything hard to access.
Opt-out on the other hand for public feeds specifically is something that I support. But then good luck having that supported on lemmy where almost all communities exist.
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Possibly. (Subscribing to a feed does actually subscribe you to all the communities in the feed. So technically they are not drive-by comments by non-members. But I see what you mean.)
Discoverability is a huge huge problem with all federated platforms and this will significantly alleviate that.
If I don't misunderstand then you can only add communities to these feeds that are already known to your instance, thus I don't really see how this solves the federated discoverability issues which is fundamentally due to instances not being aware of each other at all.
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This will reduce the discourse quality significantly as it will bring in more drive-by comments from people not subscribed to the specific communities in question.
I hope there will be some way for communities to opt-out from this or maybe better require them to opt-in.
I agree. Multi communities are great. But managing a community’s connectivity with such features makes a lot of sense too!
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Feeds are a combination of communities into one, like multireddit or mastodon tags.
Try it out!
Neat, it federates. Seems to work similar to a normal community, so it should be easy to follow these feeds from Lemmy.
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Neat, it federates. Seems to work similar to a normal community, so it should be easy to follow these feeds from Lemmy.
While the actor is a
Groupand you can follow it, no posts areAnnounced. All the federation of posts is still driven by the individual communities within the feed. You'll need to modify Lemmy to add the logic of subscribing to the constituent communities when you receive anAccept.Also there are
AddandRemoveactivities sent out whenever the feed owner manages the list of communities within which would need to be handled.Documentation still to come...
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If I don't misunderstand then you can only add communities to these feeds that are already known to your instance, thus I don't really see how this solves the federated discoverability issues which is fundamentally due to instances not being aware of each other at all.
Subscribing to the feed subscribes to communities in them = federation solved.
On top of that the content is over there organised for you which is not something you otherwise have. You have discoverability solved in 2 ways. If someone has a good feed and you see a cool community missing you can message the owner for them to add it building the collection as a community.
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This doesn’t appeal to me at all. The whole point of Lemmy is that I can avoid certain instances that have oppressive admins.
PieFed (and the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect iirc) can already do this, by blocking all users from the instance. It works much better than the Lemmy equivalent that would be better named as a community muting, since it still allows users to troll you in communities located on other instances.
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c/all is worse imo and with feeds you will at least have control over picking topics you're interested in unlike c/all. We should be focusing on opting out from c/all more as it causes far more damage and it's been that way for a long time unlike feeds on such a small platform that just got the feature implemented.
Also the opt-in would be a great way to KILL the entire feature that's been the most hyped up and requested feature across the entire threadiverse. BRUH
Imagine having all communities opted out from c/all by default. That would be stupid and make everything hard to access.
Opt-out on the other hand for public feeds specifically is something that I support. But then good luck having that supported on lemmy where almost all communities exist.
Yes the All feed has the same problem, but posts need to be significantly more popular for them to even register in the All feed. Thus most small communities currently fly under the radar of the All feed, and if they do get a popular post it nearly always becomes a moderation nightmare.
Hashtags on Mastodon have a similar problem, having given rise to the usually dreaded "Reply guy" issue.
I think most people on Lemmy haven't really thought this through and what the implications of such a feature are once it becomes widely used.
And no, the one that is doing the opt-in is the person creating the feed without asking the community that is being forcefully opted-in. Giving them the option to veto that is better than having them realize that they have been opted into something they don't agree with by being flooded with trolls and off-topic comments.
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If I don't misunderstand then you can only add communities to these feeds that are already known to your instance, thus I don't really see how this solves the federated discoverability issues which is fundamentally due to instances not being aware of each other at all.
The feed creator needs to know about the communities so they can type/paste the community address in, yeah. This feature takes the expert fediverse landscape knowledge contained in the heads of the terminally online and makes it available to more casual/new users.
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While the actor is a
Groupand you can follow it, no posts areAnnounced. All the federation of posts is still driven by the individual communities within the feed. You'll need to modify Lemmy to add the logic of subscribing to the constituent communities when you receive anAccept.Also there are
AddandRemoveactivities sent out whenever the feed owner manages the list of communities within which would need to be handled.Documentation still to come...
Ah its more complicated than I thought. We also have a similar or same feature on the roadmap, when I get to that it can federate with Piefed.
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Feeds are a combination of communities into one, like multireddit or mastodon tags.
Try it out!
So do I understand correctly that these are identical to Topics, except customizable without requiring backend changes?
Sweet!
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Neat, it federates. Seems to work similar to a normal community, so it should be easy to follow these feeds from Lemmy.
That's cool, i hope lemmy federates with it in the future
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The feed creator needs to know about the communities so they can type/paste the community address in, yeah. This feature takes the expert fediverse landscape knowledge contained in the heads of the terminally online and makes it available to more casual/new users.
Once a community is known to an instance it is available via the search feature. Thus this really doesn't improve discoverability at all assuming the person adding it to the feed is already using the instance.
What it however does is moving the conscious choice of looking for and joining a community to an opaque follow feed button that makes someone subscribe to a lot of communities they know nothing about other than that someone else thought they somehow fit to a single word tag (and it is worse than hashtags on Mastodon as it is not the person making the post that adds them, but a totally unrelated 3rd party).
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c/all is worse imo and with feeds you will at least have control over picking topics you're interested in unlike c/all. We should be focusing on opting out from c/all more as it causes far more damage and it's been that way for a long time unlike feeds on such a small platform that just got the feature implemented.
Also the opt-in would be a great way to KILL the entire feature that's been the most hyped up and requested feature across the entire threadiverse. BRUH
Imagine having all communities opted out from c/all by default. That would be stupid and make everything hard to access.
Opt-out on the other hand for public feeds specifically is something that I support. But then good luck having that supported on lemmy where almost all communities exist.
Opt-out on the other hand for public feeds specifically is something that I support. But then good luck having that supported on lemmy where almost all communities exist.
Lemmy already has a setting
community.hiddenso that communities dont show up on the All feed. But this is not easy to access at the moment. I can fix that. -
So do I understand correctly that these are identical to Topics, except customizable without requiring backend changes?
Sweet!
Exactly
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Opt-out on the other hand for public feeds specifically is something that I support. But then good luck having that supported on lemmy where almost all communities exist.
Lemmy already has a setting
community.hiddenso that communities dont show up on the All feed. But this is not easy to access at the moment. I can fix that.Oooooooh, love u.
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Opt-out on the other hand for public feeds specifically is something that I support. But then good luck having that supported on lemmy where almost all communities exist.
Lemmy already has a setting
community.hiddenso that communities dont show up on the All feed. But this is not easy to access at the moment. I can fix that.Yes having that option more easily accessible would be much apprechated.
