The So-Called “Free Speech Warriors” – Even in Switzerland, Speaking Out Can Get You Arrested

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"it's ok for the government to suppress free speech if the government declares that free speech unacceptable"

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But isn’t it understandable that Switzerland does not want foreign political organisations to interfere with the political landscape in Switzerland?

As told above already, I just hope (and fear that is not) that similar extremists supporting attacks from Isreal, are banned from entering our country as well.

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Only popular people get onto the radar of Fedpol.

And Switzerland has swiss citizens, there are not only European people in Switzerland.

And yea, I agree, that Fedpol does not always do the right decision, meaning false positives and false negatives.

But with this guy, I agree with fedpol, at least with that little information I have, hope this X posts are really from him and mot a smear campaign.

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Lol, I have to check out if I can block you. I despice right wing troll. But this is the headline of the article you cited and on which I commented:

"Erneut hätte ein Islamist in Zürich auftreten sollen, nun ist der Mann verhaftet worden. Regierungsrat Mario Fehr spricht von einem «Judenhasser»"

Und "Islamist" heißt auf english halt "islamist". Versuch nicht meinen Kommentar zu verdrehen. Unglaublich, AFD-Taktiken...

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Really? So no popular supporter of Israels genocide has ever been to Switzerland? No supporter of the Iraq War? No popular person who has celebrated murder or destruction by a western power has ever been to Switzerland?

I'm going to let you in on a secret: Switzerland? It's actually in Europe.

And by "doesn't always make the right decision" you mean it makes its decision based on whether or not it agrees with the particular instance of murder and destruction being celebrated.

Yes, I gathered you agree with banning free speech you disagree with.

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But isn’t it understandable that Switzerland does not want foreign political organisations to interfere with the political landscape in Switzerland?

Is Switzerland banning everyone who's expressed support for a foreign political organization? No? Ok then, guess that's not what this is about.

As told above already, I just hope (and fear that is not) that similar extremists supporting attacks from Isreal, are banned from entering our country as well.

They aren't and won't be though. You know that, and you know why. They also won't be banning people supporting attacks by the USA, or Ukraine, or any NATO power. Because that's not what it's about.

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War is peas.

Freedom is celery.

Ignorance is spinach.

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Of course you can block me, bit what is it worth, it limits you to see other opinions..

damn, and yea you are right, i have overseen that.

How to you call people who believe in the islamistic religion?

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I need more evidence than a single entity that was bot let in and is in my opinion ok to not let in to conclude that we have a systemic problem in fedPol

I hope there are some good quality investigation reports about that

Supporter and extremist is not the same

My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country

If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.

I support free speech and I am thankful for al the crical thinking in this comment thread. We don’t solve problems by ignoring each other.

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100%. They are so delusional that 48,000+ innocent deaths are meaning nothing, but their argument starts from October 7th. When Palestinians have been facing this for 75 years.

I come to your house, steal your stuff, tell you to fuj off. Obviously, you’re gonna fight back. Seems like minds in the West are so full of hatred towards Muslims, Arabs, and brown people that they’ve lost their humanity.

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Supporter and extremist is not the same

Yes, actually, it is.

My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country

Great, when are you going to be leaving?

If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.

You're not going to though. You will continue to persecute opposition to it though.

I support free speech

No. You don't. You support speech that is not too far from what you believe, but nothing too different.

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With that definition, I would be an extremist as well, lol

Not gonna leave a country where we have a working mechanism to make changes in the constitution based on the will of it’s people

If that is the case, I will donate to organisations who make a proper investigation about it and use its results to issue an initiative changing that. I do that via the party that I am a member of (swiss pirate party)

how do you get to that conclusion, I am all in for free speech, as long as it don’t celebrate violence

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Supporter and Extremist is not the same.

I don’t know this person not well enough to decide where to place him, but seeing his post on X, I strongly assume, that he advocated violence.

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Supporter and Extremist is not the same.

Given that merely supporting Hamas apparently makes you an extremist, they sure seem to be.

I strongly assume, that he advocated violence

So anyone who supports the military is an extremist?

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With that definition, I would be an extremist as well, lol

Yes, correct. Sounds like you're finally starting to understand my point.

Not gonna leave a country where we have a working mechanism to make changes in the constitution based on the will of it’s people

Oh sorry, I thought you said you don't want extremists in your country.

I am all in for free speech, as long as it don’t celebrate violence

So you are, in fact, not for free speech. Given you apparently don't think people should be allowed to openly celebrate things like the defeat of the Nazis

Though I notice you yourself support the violent act of expelling a person from a part of our shared planet.

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I have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

What is clear however, is that the Swiss authorities look like pants-on-head morons, as well as fascists, for letting him in at the border and then arresting him 1930s-style less than 36 hours later.

And by the way, so do you. You look like a pants-on-head moron and a fascist for defending them.

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Yea, Supporting Hamas does, if you actually try convincing other people to do the same, since Switzerland officially sees Hamas as Terror organisation. Fedpol has only acted based on that, but not decided it.

Just supporting Palestine does not make you extremist

Yea, anyone who supports military to invade other countries is in my eyes an extremist. But I have to investigate how the definition of extremist is officially in swiss government.

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*extremist because I do support Palestine, and have the opinion that the Israel government has fucked up hard / is to be considered a terror organisation as well.

I do not see myself as extremist

I support celebrating defence but I do not support invasion

And attack a neighbour directly with 1000x power as answer of an event is not only defending

To nuance my sentence above

I am ok with “i think we need violence to achieve this” etc as opinion

But “these dogs need all to be hanged and killed like they were no humans” is not ok.

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*extremist because I do support Palestine, and have the opinion that the Israel government has fucked up hard / is to be considered a terror organisation as well.

You're so close.

I do not see myself as extremist

And I don't see Hamas supporters as extremist. I do see you as extremist though.

I support celebrating defence but I do not support invasion

Hamas has never invaded anyone.

And attack a neighbour directly with 1000x power as answer of an event is not only defending

Ok, and you would have also condemned the allies for invading the Nazis. That's not a question by the way, that's just what you believe.

But “these dogs need all to be hanged and killed like they were no humans” is not ok.

Actually it is, and I consider you an extremist to believe you can claim otherwise.

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Yea, Supporting Hamas does, if you actually try convincing other people to do the same, since Switzerland officially sees Hamas as Terror organisation. Fedpol has only acted based on that, but not decided it.

The idea that the government can unilaterally and arbitrarily declare that it's illegal to support a resistance group is the most anti-free speech thing I can possibly imagine. This is seriously the most extremist view possible. You would have supported criminalizing support for Nelson Mandela.

Just supporting Palestine does not make you extremist

Apparently it would if the government told you it did.

Yea, anyone who supports military to invade other countries is in my eyes an extremist.

Not in the eyes of Fedpol though, quite the opposite: they claim supporting people opposing invasion is extremism. You also would have supported criminalizing support for the allies invading the Nazis. Again, that's not a question, that's what you believe.

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The So-Called “Free Speech Warriors” – Even in Switzerland, Speaking Out Can Get You Arrested