The So-Called “Free Speech Warriors” – Even in Switzerland, Speaking Out Can Get You Arrested

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Of course you can block me, bit what is it worth, it limits you to see other opinions..

damn, and yea you are right, i have overseen that.

How to you call people who believe in the islamistic religion?

[petter1@lemm.ee]

I need more evidence than a single entity that was bot let in and is in my opinion ok to not let in to conclude that we have a systemic problem in fedPol

I hope there are some good quality investigation reports about that

Supporter and extremist is not the same

My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country

If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.

I support free speech and I am thankful for al the crical thinking in this comment thread. We don’t solve problems by ignoring each other.

[land@lemmy.ml]

100%. They are so delusional that 48,000+ innocent deaths are meaning nothing, but their argument starts from October 7th. When Palestinians have been facing this for 75 years.

I come to your house, steal your stuff, tell you to fuj off. Obviously, you’re gonna fight back. Seems like minds in the West are so full of hatred towards Muslims, Arabs, and brown people that they’ve lost their humanity.

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

Supporter and extremist is not the same

Yes, actually, it is.

My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country

Great, when are you going to be leaving?

If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.

You're not going to though. You will continue to persecute opposition to it though.

I support free speech

No. You don't. You support speech that is not too far from what you believe, but nothing too different.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

With that definition, I would be an extremist as well, lol

Not gonna leave a country where we have a working mechanism to make changes in the constitution based on the will of it’s people

If that is the case, I will donate to organisations who make a proper investigation about it and use its results to issue an initiative changing that. I do that via the party that I am a member of (swiss pirate party)

how do you get to that conclusion, I am all in for free speech, as long as it don’t celebrate violence

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Supporter and Extremist is not the same.

I don’t know this person not well enough to decide where to place him, but seeing his post on X, I strongly assume, that he advocated violence.

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

Supporter and Extremist is not the same.

Given that merely supporting Hamas apparently makes you an extremist, they sure seem to be.

I strongly assume, that he advocated violence

So anyone who supports the military is an extremist?

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

With that definition, I would be an extremist as well, lol

Yes, correct. Sounds like you're finally starting to understand my point.

Not gonna leave a country where we have a working mechanism to make changes in the constitution based on the will of it’s people

Oh sorry, I thought you said you don't want extremists in your country.

I am all in for free speech, as long as it don’t celebrate violence

So you are, in fact, not for free speech. Given you apparently don't think people should be allowed to openly celebrate things like the defeat of the Nazis

Though I notice you yourself support the violent act of expelling a person from a part of our shared planet.

[redline@lemmygrad.ml]

I have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

What is clear however, is that the Swiss authorities look like pants-on-head morons, as well as fascists, for letting him in at the border and then arresting him 1930s-style less than 36 hours later.

And by the way, so do you. You look like a pants-on-head moron and a fascist for defending them.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Yea, Supporting Hamas does, if you actually try convincing other people to do the same, since Switzerland officially sees Hamas as Terror organisation. Fedpol has only acted based on that, but not decided it.

Just supporting Palestine does not make you extremist

Yea, anyone who supports military to invade other countries is in my eyes an extremist. But I have to investigate how the definition of extremist is officially in swiss government.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

*extremist because I do support Palestine, and have the opinion that the Israel government has fucked up hard / is to be considered a terror organisation as well.

I do not see myself as extremist

I support celebrating defence but I do not support invasion

And attack a neighbour directly with 1000x power as answer of an event is not only defending

To nuance my sentence above

I am ok with “i think we need violence to achieve this” etc as opinion

But “these dogs need all to be hanged and killed like they were no humans” is not ok.

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

*extremist because I do support Palestine, and have the opinion that the Israel government has fucked up hard / is to be considered a terror organisation as well.

You're so close.

I do not see myself as extremist

And I don't see Hamas supporters as extremist. I do see you as extremist though.

I support celebrating defence but I do not support invasion

Hamas has never invaded anyone.

And attack a neighbour directly with 1000x power as answer of an event is not only defending

Ok, and you would have also condemned the allies for invading the Nazis. That's not a question by the way, that's just what you believe.

But “these dogs need all to be hanged and killed like they were no humans” is not ok.

Actually it is, and I consider you an extremist to believe you can claim otherwise.

[braininabox@lemmy.ml]

Yea, Supporting Hamas does, if you actually try convincing other people to do the same, since Switzerland officially sees Hamas as Terror organisation. Fedpol has only acted based on that, but not decided it.

The idea that the government can unilaterally and arbitrarily declare that it's illegal to support a resistance group is the most anti-free speech thing I can possibly imagine. This is seriously the most extremist view possible. You would have supported criminalizing support for Nelson Mandela.

Just supporting Palestine does not make you extremist

Apparently it would if the government told you it did.

Yea, anyone who supports military to invade other countries is in my eyes an extremist.

Not in the eyes of Fedpol though, quite the opposite: they claim supporting people opposing invasion is extremism. You also would have supported criminalizing support for the allies invading the Nazis. Again, that's not a question, that's what you believe.

[nursery2787@lemmy.ml]

How is this related to privacy? Seems like he’s pretty public about his views.

[tachyontele@lemm.ee]

Is that opposed the free speech of Saudi Arabia where you get hacked to pieces for being a journalist?

[petter1@lemm.ee]

I guess I am one of the least racist people you’re know, like a literal hippie.

I definitely see swiss police incompetent enough that they let him through because of a high-roll persuasion action of the guy wanting to come in.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

I am an extremist because I am not shouting “kill all Israel people?” Or is because I don’t say “kill all Judes” or what exactly makes me an extremist?!

I never told that Hamas invaded anyone, I just told that I don’t approve the ways they handle stuff. And that swiss government has but Hamas on the list of terrorist groups.

This means that fedPol has no choice but to not let Hamas supporters in, if they get wind of it.

Well, if a country gets invaded and freed after, that is not an invasion. At least if the invasion did happen in the last decade. I don’t support keeping old conflicts alive. Else everybody could invade anybody since any country invaded at least once since the concept of countries.

But yea, in my opinion, the takeover of germany by the end of WW2, where de big border through Berlin was build, was an invasion and I don’t approve that invasion (you still see the scars from that invasion)

And hear you the difference between you and me. I would never wish anyone to have to die if they don’t want to. Not even the worst child raping serial killer. I would prefer to analyse this person’s psychology and find reasons that has led to that outcome and do anything to prevent others people from getting on the same path.

As I heard from the 7. October, where the party was slain by Hamas (I say Hamas not Palestine on purpose here) it hit me hard, as I myself am a Person enjoying exactly this style of music. But never did I wish death to the shooters there. I would prefer to talk and find a way how we can forgive each other.

But if this wish makes me an extremist in your eyes, I really don’t know what is wrong with you..

[communism@lemmy.ml]

Saudi is aligned with the US/west, and even if they weren't, multiple geopolitical powers can be oppressive at once, believe it or not.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Joining an organisation is not speech, it is more. Talking that you think they have a right to attack Israel, that you think they should kill all xxx, they believe the government is lying to you, etc. that is free speech and is allowed.

Apparently it would if the government told you it did.

Sorry did not get what you trying to say here

Fedpol is not opinionated, they have a list of terror groups that are not written by frdpol and they have the order to not let anyone in trying to find more people joining that terror group

Please finally learn that our government is not homogenous and not a dictatorship. We have many devisions that do different stuff and oh boy they are never in consensus, there are people of any opinion in the swiss government. It is not a single entity like Trump, Putin, Xi, etc. Who have or think they have absolute power.

[far_university190@feddit.org]

Fuck now i hungry