Donald Trump Pulling US Troops From Europe in Blow to NATO Allies: Report

[nospotofground@lemmy.world]

our eastern neighbours

... you mean Ukraine, no?

[buelldozer@lemmy.today]

But then we also withdraw from the Plaza accords.

The Plaza Accord ended in 1987. It was replaced with the Louvre Accord.

[gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de]

yes also, but not only.

what i'm sick to hear is newspapers calling the ukraininan war an angriffskrieg (war of aggression) while i did not hear that term a single fucking time for the Vietnam war.

(all the while ignoring actual security considerations of russia)

it sickens me that europe fails to see reason. it makes us look weak on an international stage.

[libertylizard@slrpnk.net]

The Vietnam war was 50 years ago. I think there was quite a bit of criticism of the Iraqi invasion which while already a bit dated is a more recent comparison, no?

[gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de]

yes i was referring to the vietnam one because otherwise people say "muh duh it's because 9/11 and they had to defend themselves".

[libertylizard@slrpnk.net]

Well Vietnam is harder for most people to compare because most of us weren't alive back then. So I don't have a point of reference for how the media treated that conflict.

There's always some kind of flimsy justification for war but we all know that Iraq and 9/11 were in no way related outside of the propaganda. Did people really take those things seriously in your community?

[azron@lemmy.ml]

You aren't wrong but leaving out the bit about how much Europe has benefitted from the USA's military machine is sorta disingenous.

[sarmyth@lemmy.world]

Sounds like military spending is gonna have to go up then!

[alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

You are right. But I still see most people refer to the Plaza accords. I guess those are just more well known.

[jagged_circle@feddit.nl]

Which country?

[scirocco@lemm.ee]

Well gettchyo ass in gear and join the party for your own good

[tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works]

The US doesn't have troops in Europe to benefit Europe though. They have troops in Europe to benefit the US.

Europe should be totally fine with them leaving. Get off their territory, give up all that power projection and hamstring yourself.

What a weird thing to threaten.

[saleh@feddit.org]

How did the EU benefit from the US military machine?

The only argument i can see would be deterrence, however it also seemed to have weakened the EUs resolve to build its on independent force. The US destabilizations in West Asia have brought us Daesh and millions of refugees, which were exploited by the far right to rise to power in many EU countries, now working to destroy the EU from within and often favorable to Putin.

[jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world]

Nazis do that, and they've hijacked America for the time being.

[nigelfrobisher@aussie.zone]

Y’ know, OUR country.

[meowgenau@programming.dev]

No he means Putin and Lukashenko, the real vicitms of the war in Ukraine. Everyone knows that Zelensky is no angel.

[tehdastehdas@lemmy.world]

When will the US-made fighter jets stop working?

[trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works]

Trump is as dumb as a bucket o shit. That's why he's threatening to shoot himself in the foot.

[idiomaddict@lemmy.world]

The US didn’t start the Vietnam War, maybe that’s why. They certainly exacerbated it and prevented it from being resolved, but it was just a civil war (kind of, Vietnam had just been divided into two countries, so I don’t know if it technically counts as a civil war still) at the beginning.

[valeria@feddit.kyiv.ua]

It’s time for Europe to defend itself.