Donald Trump Pulling US Troops From Europe in Blow to NATO Allies: Report

[zip2@feddit.uk]

Good and clear out your airbases overs here too. And take your shit cars with you.

[mojofrododojo@lemmy.world]

but there is realpolitik reason for him wanting to take Greenland and retaking the Panama Canal.

and it makes sense if you're a twelve year old, or, if you want to destroy NATO and our country's other alliances.

He's wrecking the fucking place, you dolt.

Cancelling NIH funding, leaving the WHO, jerking around our allies with bullshit... open your damned eyes.

[match@pawb.social]

can this happen in asia too please

[tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world]

Look, learn the basics of realpolitik, then come back. I'm not defending Trump, I'm explaining why he does what he does. A lot of people don't understand what dry analysis is especially in realpolitik. I linked an article from an esteemed site explaining Trump's motivation so that's a start.

Is what Trump doing stupid? Sure. But for him it's not with respect to his nativist, nationalistic agenda. He's going back to old school imperialism and unilateralism of a more powerful imperialistic nation state. People said the same of Hitler as being stupid, but no one can't doubt he had been influential. In spite of losing the attempted coup, Hitler had been able to use the political system to gain power after all, and enact his own vision of ultranationalism. It's the same with Trump. And again, Trump is the one in charge, not you nor I, so he's not dumb in his own right. Keep underestimating the opponent, and you're the one who will actually lose. A lot of people underestimated Hitler and his partner Mussolini and look what happened.

[highduc@lemmy.ml]

That would be nice. Let's see if it actually happens.

[jhex@lemmy.world]

What could Putin have that could threaten Europe when he has been unable to make inroads in Ukraine for years?

[uebquauntbez@lemmy.world]

MMW: He'll soon need every single fighter at home.

[olafurp@lemmy.world]

If there are no buyers for treasuries it'll tank the dollar value and go a long way to remove it's status as a reserve currency. Trump insist on rocking the boat that has been working for the US.

[barsoap@lemm.ee]

Dude Realpolitik is not about ignoring effects getting rid of all your allies has, making yourself a pariah. That's not dry analysis it is, as you correctly point out, stupidity.

If you had invoked geopolitical "realism" (as they call it) you would have a point: Because that stuff is inherently stupid. But it's also not Realpolitik.

[kissaki@feddit.org]

Asia has a Chinese Taiwan threat. It's a very different situation to Europe.

What do you want to happen or change in Asia? Removing troops from where and to what degree?

[kissaki@feddit.org]

I don't think supposedly remaining a billionaire necessarily correlates with intelligence.

With enough money or influence, you get money. No need to be clever or sound.

[blackn1ght@feddit.uk]

Due to some bs agreement they are untouchable by German police, and only really end up in court of someone died.

Anna Sacoolas killed a kid with their car leaving a US airbase in the UK - she fucked off back to the US claiming diplomatic immunity so she couldn't face charges. So they don't even always end up in court.

[tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world]

We're still falling into the pitfalls of not understanding the other side. Trump is running on nativist agenda. He doesn't necessarily care about maintaining allies for the United States. If he does, it's about alliance of convenience.

And since he's running on nativist agenda, he is doing so because he knows that many Americans are tired of globalisation and internationalism. The outsourcing made people lose jobs without alternatives being offered. Endless foreign interventions motivated by corporate greed under the guise of human rights protection. That's what the people want to be addressed and that's Trump's policies are based from. His platform did not come out of the vacuum and the people simply ate it up. He knows where the wind is heading and used it to sail to his advantage while the rest wants to remain on the previous course (i.e. the status quo). Who is the smart and dumb one? The smart one is certainly the one who's in charge now and steering the rudder. There is nothing wrong giving credit to where it's due; and people are afraid to acknowledge the truth.

[mubelotix@jlai.lu]

This is why we don't allow foreign bases in France. Also, alliances are frail and cannot be depended on

[viking@infosec.pub]

Yep, it's the only instance where they might, but even then it's no guarantee. Closing the bases would be awesome for anyone but landlords in the areas who are charging extortionate rates to base personal rather than offering affordable housing to locals.

[prandom_returns@lemm.ee]

Wow!

Now do russia!

[blackn1ght@feddit.uk]

rather than offering affordable housing to locals

Let's be honest, this wouldnt happen. Ideally the base would close and basically have an entirely new village built on it, flooding the local market with available properties that helps reduce the cost of housing - an abundance of supply over demand.

That said, the locals might have mixed feelings as US airmen will likely contribute to the local economy in some way.

[tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world]

There are plenty of rich people who lost their wealth-- mostly due to stupidity because they became decadent and resting on their laurels, believing their luck will last forever, like Charlie Sheen. Trump could have done the same and he has had plenty of lawsuits. And yet he's still here.

As someone mentioned, Trump's antics are all smoke and mirrors for distraction. But didn't realise that someone totally dumb would not be doing that all. The greatest trick that the devil pulled is make everyone believe he is stupid and harmless.

[barsoap@lemm.ee]

Who is the smart and dumb one? The smart one is certainly the one who’s in charge now and steering the rudder.

Nah. He's the less stupid one. Liberals within the Democratic party backstabbing Bernie and gaslighting the people about the people's own economical woes are the real stupid ones, the reason slightly less stupid could win.

[eatmytaxes44@futurology.today]

Yes. Yanks go home