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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • J [email protected]

    You only notice AI-generated content when it’s bad/obvious, but you’d never notice the AI-generated content that’s so good it’s indistinguishable from something generated by a human.

    I don’t know what percentage of the “good” content we see is AI-generated, but it’s probably more than 0 and will probably go up over time.

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    Shit take, the more AI-made media is online, the harder it is for AI developing companies to improve on previous models.

    It won't be indistinguishable from media made with human effort, unless you enjoy wasting your time on cheap uninteresting manmade slop then you won't be fooled by cheap uninteresting and untrue AI-made slop.

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    • N [email protected]

      Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That's not how any of this works.

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      Awe so the article author has a vendetta against vegans got it.

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      • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE [email protected]

        Why neo?

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        Why not?

        (It's not really something I've ever thought about since I started using the term. It kinda just is.)

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          Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That's not how any of this works.

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          It's like how they put the word gate after something to say that it is a scandal involving the former word.

          Somesort of political scandal involving road maintenance? Oh yes well that's roadgate then. Even though the Watergate scandal was in fact it scandal in the watergate hotel, rather than a scandal about water.

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          • sorghum@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]
            • Amish: techno vegans
            • Mennonite: techno vegetarians
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            I interpreted that as techno, as in the genre, for too long.

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              i wonder if they came up with such term to mock those who dont want to use ai and possibly actual vegans on the side.

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              They use to mock us with “Luddite” but the Technologists looked into that actual movement (rather than the caricature) and agreed, “yeah sure, like them”. That took the sting out of the pejorative, so they picked another mocked group to connect it with.

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              • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                So just the “Appeal to futility” logical fallacy?

                At some point, you have to recognize factory farming as a public policy decision rather than a retail choice. And the response has to be organized and political, not individualistic and consumerist.

                You joining the current vegan population is significant!

                It's significant for popular politics, sure. But a vegan community that satisfies itself with attaching blinders when they pass through the Bad Foods aisle at the grocery store is going to end up in the same place as the climate activist who only owns a bike.

                The vegan population is estimated to be 9% in india and mexico, 5% in Israel, 2% in the UK, 1.5% in the US

                The difference between the US and India is that if you go around trying to butcher cows in particularly devote areas of India, you're subject to serious political reprisals. In the US, it's practically a sacrament to eat burger.

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                At some point, you have to recognize factory farming as a public policy decision rather than a retail choice

                It is both, and both affect each other. False dichotomy?

                a vegan community that satisfies itself with attaching blinders when they pass through the Bad Foods aisle at the grocery store is going to end up in the same place as the climate activist who only owns a bike.

                Strawmaning what being a vegan is. It is far from just turning a blind eye.

                The difference between the US and India is that if you go around trying to butcher cows in particularly devote areas of India, you're subject to serious political reprisals.

                You know that they eat plenty of other animals right? If you go there, meat and animal products are a very big part of the local food.

                I can't take these arguments seriously.

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                  Incels: sexual vegans

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                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

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                    At some point, you have to recognize factory farming as a public policy decision rather than a retail choice

                    It is both, and both affect each other. False dichotomy?

                    a vegan community that satisfies itself with attaching blinders when they pass through the Bad Foods aisle at the grocery store is going to end up in the same place as the climate activist who only owns a bike.

                    Strawmaning what being a vegan is. It is far from just turning a blind eye.

                    The difference between the US and India is that if you go around trying to butcher cows in particularly devote areas of India, you're subject to serious political reprisals.

                    You know that they eat plenty of other animals right? If you go there, meat and animal products are a very big part of the local food.

                    I can't take these arguments seriously.

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                    It is both

                    It's induced demand. Increased capacity invited consumption.

                    You know that they eat plenty of other animals right?

                    Per capita they're heavily constrained. They have three times the population and one third the land area. They can't slaughter animals to match US consumption patterns even if they try.

                    That's incentivized a culture of veganism as normal and virtuous, as a consequence. And it has allowed the population to expand to 1.3B without experiencing rates of malnutrition common to more rural countries (Kenya, Argentina, and Haiti, for instance) where enormous stretches of land have been dedicated to feedstock.

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                      I am a AI Freedom Fighter.

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                      • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                        This was an actual response that Google's stupid Gemini LLM really gave somebody. The notion was lifted from a satirical Onion article which the LLM regurgitated as if it was an established fact.

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                        We need to poison the models with more satire on the Internet.

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                        • whoisearth@lemmy.caW [email protected]

                          I'm a sex vegetarian gotta be a bit open

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                          Sex flexitarian is where it's at

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                          • whoisearth@lemmy.caW [email protected]

                            I'm a sex vegetarian gotta be a bit open

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                            I'm a sex pescatarian. I will not be answering questions.

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                            • B [email protected]

                              Shit take, the more AI-made media is online, the harder it is for AI developing companies to improve on previous models.

                              It won't be indistinguishable from media made with human effort, unless you enjoy wasting your time on cheap uninteresting manmade slop then you won't be fooled by cheap uninteresting and untrue AI-made slop.

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                              “All AI-generated content is self-evident” is an unfalsifiable claim. It might also be true, but you don’t and can’t ever know.

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                                I'm sex vegan. Cry about it virgins

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                                No animals harmed during sex...hmm

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                                  No animals harmed during sex...hmm

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                                  Disagreed. I am an animal.

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                                    No mayo in the bedroom? Why even bother.

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                                    Vegan aioli just doesn't cut it

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                                      If the human you're fucking consented, then consuming their fluids is vegan. Hell if they consent, eating them would be vegan too.

                                      Animals do not consent to having fluids extracted or their lives taken and flesh consumed. Animal agriculture keeps animals in filthy, torturous conditions too, which no animal would ever consent to either.

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                                      I had a fish that died by suicide. We didn't eat it, but arguably

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                                        I wouldn't mind a Geth or two, for jolly cooperation

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                                        Also for destroying the occasional organics, as a little treat

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                                          I just don’t have a use for it. I already am generative AI.

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