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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

    I refuse to use it because it's shit.

    We are not the same.

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    Yup, these things are still garbage for >90% of all applications people are jamming them into. Breathed a sigh of relief when my company CEO said he doesn't see us using AI for more than can center routing for at least the next several years.

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      I mean, abstaining from animal products makes someone a vegan, right? If you abstain from AI products then it would follow that you’re an “AI vegan”.

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      Abstaining from animal products is just vegetarian. Veganism requires an extremely strict adherence to a very specific set of rules concerning animals.

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      • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

        There's a huge push right now to salvage the AI hype bubble as people realize the tech can't live up to the promises. They are also trying to prevent regulation.

        This includes the pushes to humanize the tool, like saying it deserves rights or that there may be some kind of racism against the tool.

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        They're trying to pretend it's real AI rather than extremely complicated text prediction. Hell, the less knowledgeable among them might even believe it. LLMs are a sort of language pareidolia.

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          We need to poison the models with more satire on the Internet.

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          Yup, satire is lost on the dumb and LLMs have no intelligence.

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            Abstaining from animal products is just vegetarian. Veganism requires an extremely strict adherence to a very specific set of rules concerning animals.

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            Vegetarians can eat cheese, which is an animal product.

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              I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

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                I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

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                You've probably heard this before but do consider alternatives like Startpage and Qwant. It's not flawless but I've found it's definitely better.

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                • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

                  I refuse to use it because it's shit.

                  We are not the same.

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                  Every last bit of it? What is your stance on use of AI for tasks such as data analysis of massive sets for scientific research, or procedural automation of massive operations?

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                    how to belittle and minimize a very serious thing: call any protesters of it a " ___ vegan"

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                    • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zoneA [email protected]

                      Calling them after a maligned (if harmless) group seems like a choice to paint refusing to use AI as being annoying, preachy and scorn-worthy.

                      They seem very determined to pressure people into using AI regardless of it's practicality, environmental impact, or anything. Fuck this shit.

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                      yeah, this is 1000% deliberate manufacturing consent

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                      • U [email protected]

                        I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

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                        If you're willing to pay money then Kagi is a great alternative. They claim they don't collect or share your data. Though, Kagi isn't very good for local search results and probably never will be.

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                        • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]
                          • Working class: retirement vegan
                          • American: healthcare vegan
                          • German: humour vegan

                          My god, it's unstoppable

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                          I love your profile image. I should reread Rice Boy.

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                            I just don’t have a use for it. I already am generative AI.

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                            you aren't artificial tho lol

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                              I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

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                              https://udm14.com/

                              You can also get a search extension in firefox (probably others as well but I haven't looked)

                              It essentially strips the bullshit out and just shows you search results.

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                                I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

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                                Duck duck go

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                                  Duck duck go

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                                  Unfortunately, it's not better and also shows slop

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                                    Every last bit of it? What is your stance on use of AI for tasks such as data analysis of massive sets for scientific research, or procedural automation of massive operations?

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                                    AI doesn't exist, machine learning algorithms can be useful and are used with no controversy, generative bullshit is basically useless.

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                                    • N [email protected]

                                      Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That's not how any of this works.

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                                      But it makes people come off as extremely annoying.
                                      So that's working.

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                                        AI doesn't exist, machine learning algorithms can be useful and are used with no controversy, generative bullshit is basically useless.

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                                        You're using a lot of very loosely defined terms with a lot of certainty. Machine learning is AI, we just usually apply it to the more simple versions of it. Where do you personally draw the line? I fully understand the plethora of risks, downsides, and injustices that can potentially be involved in the matter, but I legitimately don't understand the extremist level hatred that some people express to anything that could hold the title of AI. To me, it parallels with someone saying that they hate ionizing radiation. Frequently, it's also bad, and your entirely reasonable to try and avoid it on a daily basis, but it also has many uses that are beneficial and life-saving.

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                                          Every last bit of it? What is your stance on use of AI for tasks such as data analysis of massive sets for scientific research, or procedural automation of massive operations?

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                                          Yes, I am also frequently accosted by Google's data analysis of massive sets for scientific research. I can't tell you how many times they've forcefully inserted research analysis of large data sets into my search results.

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