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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • B [email protected]

    AI requires genuine data, period.
    Go read about it instead of spewing nonsense.

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    If they weren’t trained on the same data, it ends up similar

    Training inferior models with superior models output can lower the gap between both. It’ll not be optimal by any means and you might fuck its future learning, but it will work to an extent

    The data you feed it should be good quality though

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    • M [email protected]

      You mean I should have instead replied with good solid arguments like:

      Hard copium there

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      Affirmations without argumentation can be dismissed without argumentation

      Saying AI is a sorting algorithm is just inaccurate. What can I say apart from its just not how it works? Anyone who studied that field knows how much they’re dishonest. They are just too many possibilities and types of AI to list them all

      At this point a video game is just a glorified sorting algorithm of pixels of color

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      • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

        We let environmentalism become an individual issue, and that was a mistake.

        Everyone knows it's not an individual issue, corporations are constantly buying up political shielding and support, as well as media opinions, to ensure that "the economy" remains more important than the environment and that they, the ones responsible for all the shit, don't get regulated or properly fined and blamed.

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        I don't really agree that "everyone knows this" when everyone I know talks about environmentalism almost exclusively in terms of individual impact.

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        • zacryon@feddit.orgZ [email protected]

          I don't care about votes. I just hope that people start to comprehend this field a tiny bit better .

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          They won’t, because their opinion is political and ideological, not technical

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          • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

            It's not really about feelings? It's provably, demonstrably wrong a bunch of the time. It's pathologically incapable of saying "I don't know this". Also you're nitpicking, they may have conflated LLMs with AI but so is the article and you clearly knew what OC was talking about.

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            So you’re just going to throw the creativity aspect of it, or that it is right a good portion of the time?

            You’re going to ignore the gigantic demand for AI, and the thousands of people that have a productivity gain from it?

            All tools have issues. AI doesn’t have to be the one tool that’s either all or nothing. If you approach it with a neutral angle and try to work with it the right way, I’m sure you’ll benefit from it. Some basic uses are really good:

            • Summarizing text
            • Proposing better or alternative wording
            • Inventing short paragraphs, stories, other similar stuff
            • mimicking a style
            • knowledge and questions about basic and broadly known subjects
            • asking for similar tools or notions
            • speech recognition, and text to speech (still limited)
            • image editing
            • Bug fixing (software recommendations, centralized diagnostics (still limited but faster and easier))
            • quickly getting infos on a subject that are easy to understand (limited, just like searching on internet without taking the time to search more)
            • much more
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            • D [email protected]

              Kiiiinda confused. Am I fly? Nah, I am a human. And most of us eat mixed diet. That's normal. Baseline. So, eating only veggies is wacky. Same with eating only meat.

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              https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/metaphor

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                There has to be a catchier name than AI vegans...

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                • F [email protected]

                  There has to be a catchier name than AI vegans...

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                  Yes, it sounds like marginalizing normal reasonable people.

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                  • R [email protected]

                    The better term would be "LLM gobbling fuckheads" for those who use that stuff and believe it has anything to do with "AI"

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                    sloppers

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                    • F [email protected]

                      There has to be a catchier name than AI vegans...

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                      Also too ambiguous of a term, could also mean an ai chatbot that pretends to be a vegan person.

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                      • Z [email protected]

                        Also too ambiguous of a term, could also mean an ai chatbot that pretends to be a vegan person.

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                        yeah, lol. that's what i thought it meant when I first read the post

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                          Im also a gun vegan, a car vegan, a facebook vegan, an exercise vegan (unfortunately), a windows vegan, ... just not actual vegan.

                          I feel like thats a bad way to use the word vegan.

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                          • J [email protected]

                            While billionaires keep using their private jets.

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                            Im a proud jet vegan myself, not that i have a choice, but still

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                            • I [email protected]

                              So I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that it is. Look at your teeth, humans are omnivores. Cutting out half the diet you evolved to consume is in fact a contriarian position. Not that I have any issues with vegans or vegetarians, just from an anatomical point of view we were designed to eat some meat! I do think calling people who don't use AI "AI vegans" is absurd though, as diet has absolutely nothing to do with use of AI. Would be more accurate to say their AI fasting if we're gonna use food related terms.

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                              Theft, rape, and murder are "natural" too.

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                                ha so I'm a double vegan

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                                • harmsy@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

                                  I played around on an AI image generating website for a while. Eventually got bored with it.

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                                  You very quickly see its limittions

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                                    People who use the term "vegan" for somebody they consider extremist, ascetic, or annoying are really telling on themselves.

                                    Side note: one of the most genius rebrands of all time was the way fake leather (which is often made from polyurethane, a type of plastic) suddenly became aspirational “vegan leather”.

                                    Most vegan leathers are made from compostable materials, because (surprise, surprise!) many vegans are also environmentalists.

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                                    • Z [email protected]

                                      Yes, it sounds like marginalizing normal reasonable people.

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                                      Most vegans are normal reasonable people too.

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                                      • regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                                        Imo vegan shouldn't be seen as derogatory. I'm not one, but got a lot of respect for most of em.

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                                        it shouldn't, but years of lobbying and demonization online certainly have made it so

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                                        • canajac@lemmy.caC [email protected]

                                          LOL gen z kids are fucking hysterical.
                                          AI will save the world, it has already started.

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                                          Where... AI is ruining the world, with devastating levels of environmental impact, job losses and mental faculty damage.

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