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      That fatso could have joined in CJ building his empire, but he sold out for hamberders.

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        A lot of Sweet's characterisation is based around the idea that the hood is where he was born and raised, it's where everyone he knows has always been. He feels he owes a permanent debt to the hood. Through gang warfare he has lost at least two family members and likely more friends. It's like a duty to him to ensure that those who are under his leadership are taken care of and protected.

        Anyone who has played the game, though, understand that literally none of that happens, and that's down to his own incompetence. He's not a natural leader and totally out of his depth in trying to be one. As such, he has no real solutions and the Grove tears itself apart as more families see through his incompetency.

        His intentions are absolutely noble, but his actions are fucking useless.

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          A lot of Sweet's characterisation is based around the idea that the hood is where he was born and raised, it's where everyone he knows has always been. He feels he owes a permanent debt to the hood. Through gang warfare he has lost at least two family members and likely more friends. It's like a duty to him to ensure that those who are under his leadership are taken care of and protected.

          Anyone who has played the game, though, understand that literally none of that happens, and that's down to his own incompetence. He's not a natural leader and totally out of his depth in trying to be one. As such, he has no real solutions and the Grove tears itself apart as more families see through his incompetency.

          His intentions are absolutely noble, but his actions are fucking useless.

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          And by GTA V The Grove was taken over by ballers 😞

          I know SD and HD are separate universes... but it would make sense that no matter what GSF gets pushed out

          Likewise, it fits well as GTA storylines never really have a happy ending

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            A lot of Sweet's characterisation is based around the idea that the hood is where he was born and raised, it's where everyone he knows has always been. He feels he owes a permanent debt to the hood. Through gang warfare he has lost at least two family members and likely more friends. It's like a duty to him to ensure that those who are under his leadership are taken care of and protected.

            Anyone who has played the game, though, understand that literally none of that happens, and that's down to his own incompetence. He's not a natural leader and totally out of his depth in trying to be one. As such, he has no real solutions and the Grove tears itself apart as more families see through his incompetency.

            His intentions are absolutely noble, but his actions are fucking useless.

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            The real shit is always in the comments.

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              The real shit is always in the comments.

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              I could write literally essays about Sweet, but sadly it's all been done before by a plethora of different YouTubers. I don't feel like I have much to put on the table that hasn't been analysed to death before πŸ˜‚

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                no wonder ryder and big smoke left his sorry ass to go make some real fucking paper.

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                  A lot of Sweet's characterisation is based around the idea that the hood is where he was born and raised, it's where everyone he knows has always been. He feels he owes a permanent debt to the hood. Through gang warfare he has lost at least two family members and likely more friends. It's like a duty to him to ensure that those who are under his leadership are taken care of and protected.

                  Anyone who has played the game, though, understand that literally none of that happens, and that's down to his own incompetence. He's not a natural leader and totally out of his depth in trying to be one. As such, he has no real solutions and the Grove tears itself apart as more families see through his incompetency.

                  His intentions are absolutely noble, but his actions are fucking useless.

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                  Something I couldn't get while younger but now feel more understanding as an adult is how CJ's successes are all out of luck, and how much Rockstar builds him - mostly by accident - to be a kind of class traitor I'd hate in real life. Everyone has been struggling with or against crime in Grove Street for decades, and he comes back for a few months and somehow earns a millionaire enterprise - without putting any real managerial effort into it. He just happens to meet people who will happily share companies and opportunities with him in exchange for a few favors.

                  This is largely thanks to software and gameplay limitations, of course - Rockstar is capable of many things but subtle and nuanced writing isn't one of them - that stop you from coming back and extending a hand to others (even if Sweet would slap it away) or doing real accounting and development work with your properties instead of just collecting cash, but still paints a picture.

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                    Something I couldn't get while younger but now feel more understanding as an adult is how CJ's successes are all out of luck, and how much Rockstar builds him - mostly by accident - to be a kind of class traitor I'd hate in real life. Everyone has been struggling with or against crime in Grove Street for decades, and he comes back for a few months and somehow earns a millionaire enterprise - without putting any real managerial effort into it. He just happens to meet people who will happily share companies and opportunities with him in exchange for a few favors.

                    This is largely thanks to software and gameplay limitations, of course - Rockstar is capable of many things but subtle and nuanced writing isn't one of them - that stop you from coming back and extending a hand to others (even if Sweet would slap it away) or doing real accounting and development work with your properties instead of just collecting cash, but still paints a picture.

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                    I love writing myself and I absolutely despise it.

                    Not to send you down the TV trope rabbit hole, but I believe it's "The power of trust" where side characters put unreasonable amounts of trust into a character they've only just met (Doctor Who is a bloody classic at this one), mixed with a bit of "The Gift" where people will grant the protagonist unrealistically generous gifts for little to nothing in return.

                    And it's not like CJ ever gets called out on the bullshit he does, either. The mission that absolutely stands out to me in terms of CJ's insanity is the one where he straight up murders the construction site manager in cold blood for harassing Kendl.

                    Sure, the part where you wreck the construction site makes sense, but to then bury the guy in concrete is plain stupid. If I were Kendl I'd be fucking horrified πŸ˜…

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                      That fatso could have joined in CJ building his empire, but he sold out for hamberders.

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                      the fatso was on it way before cj even came back to bury his mother

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                        I love writing myself and I absolutely despise it.

                        Not to send you down the TV trope rabbit hole, but I believe it's "The power of trust" where side characters put unreasonable amounts of trust into a character they've only just met (Doctor Who is a bloody classic at this one), mixed with a bit of "The Gift" where people will grant the protagonist unrealistically generous gifts for little to nothing in return.

                        And it's not like CJ ever gets called out on the bullshit he does, either. The mission that absolutely stands out to me in terms of CJ's insanity is the one where he straight up murders the construction site manager in cold blood for harassing Kendl.

                        Sure, the part where you wreck the construction site makes sense, but to then bury the guy in concrete is plain stupid. If I were Kendl I'd be fucking horrified πŸ˜…

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                        What gets me is how CJ flips from O.G. Loc to Madd Dogg. Yeah Loc does go on Smoke's side (although you only know that from like, one radio commercial) and you *could* say seeing the direct impact of his choices on Dogg changed his mind, but it feels more like just chasing whoever can benefit him more. Which makes sense, but why have the weird betrayal?

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                          I love writing myself and I absolutely despise it.

                          Not to send you down the TV trope rabbit hole, but I believe it's "The power of trust" where side characters put unreasonable amounts of trust into a character they've only just met (Doctor Who is a bloody classic at this one), mixed with a bit of "The Gift" where people will grant the protagonist unrealistically generous gifts for little to nothing in return.

                          And it's not like CJ ever gets called out on the bullshit he does, either. The mission that absolutely stands out to me in terms of CJ's insanity is the one where he straight up murders the construction site manager in cold blood for harassing Kendl.

                          Sure, the part where you wreck the construction site makes sense, but to then bury the guy in concrete is plain stupid. If I were Kendl I'd be fucking horrified πŸ˜…

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                          I think you're reading a little too much into the writing of a game that is mostly about finding funny ways to kill people.

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                            A lot of Sweet's characterisation is based around the idea that the hood is where he was born and raised, it's where everyone he knows has always been. He feels he owes a permanent debt to the hood. Through gang warfare he has lost at least two family members and likely more friends. It's like a duty to him to ensure that those who are under his leadership are taken care of and protected.

                            Anyone who has played the game, though, understand that literally none of that happens, and that's down to his own incompetence. He's not a natural leader and totally out of his depth in trying to be one. As such, he has no real solutions and the Grove tears itself apart as more families see through his incompetency.

                            His intentions are absolutely noble, but his actions are fucking useless.

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                            Sweet is what you call a uh, a sucka.

                            He's a true believer, a fool, who is dedicated to a whole bunch of rhetoric that objectively is not true, does not function in reality the way he believes it should.

                            He should know that literally nobody else goes by his code of conduct and honor anywhere near as strictly as he does, because he has repeated, first hand experience with that, but he doesn't learn, because he is so broken as a person from all the horrible shit that has happened to people he genuinely cares about, that this code is really all that remains as the basis of his identity.

                            He is a broken, angry, incompetent man who was sold a lie, and that lie is all he has left.

                            He is a tragic character, traumatized as fuck.

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