Fans slam The Alters after discovering evidence of undisclosed gen AI in images, text, and translation
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Like procedural generation, generative assets that are done well will be either indistinguishable from hand work, likely because there will be some involved, or will be incorporated in a way that they mesh well with everything else.
Everyone hated the procedural generation in no man's sky, for example, until enough work was done to make that just a piece of the game.
No Man's Sky was one of the most hyped video games in history due to procedural generation. The fact that they botched it on release is not relevant.
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Nope, fuck that, fuck genAI it is unethical by virtue of stealing to train and vastly draining resources to power slop garbage.
Television was a medium, communication. GenAI is not communicating shit, it's trash sold on a lie.
Television was a medium
Yeah. We called it that because it was neither rare, nor well done. Bad writing has always existed.
it's trash sold on a lie.
You sweet summer child... The French have an expression for this: Plus ça change
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No Man's Sky was one of the most hyped video games in history due to procedural generation. The fact that they botched it on release is not relevant.
I don't agree at all, the hype was evident, sure, but the procedural generation was largely the reason people didn't like the game.
You stated that procedural generation isn't hated, but 'botching' the usage of it at release is the piece that irrelevant. The people hated it because of the, admittably bad, procedural generation.
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How the fuck would I boycott a brand for being owned by Nestle before I find out that it's owned by Nestle?
I don't know if other games are using generative AI. Maybe they are. If I find out they are, I will not buy them. If I don't find out that they are, how would I know that they're using it? The fact that I'm not able to detect it 100% of the time doesn't make me okay with it when I don't know it's there. What in any of my comments has made you think I have an "I don't care as long as I don't notice it" attitude???
How the fuck would I boycott a brand for being owned by Nestle before I find out that it's owned by Nestle?
Consumer research, look up the brands you don't know before you buy them, the corps aren't generally out here running shell companies to hide relationships.
Im not being snide and I don't care about the rest of the argument with OP, this is the literal answer to that one question, that's all.
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You're expecting it to be used responsibly when we ourselves in general are very lacking in that department.
This here is a very good example of the actual use that will happen. A rush job to meet unrealistic deadlines. And that's what will happen as is the norm.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The translation flub is the only part that mattered here. The Alters was getting a ton of praise and good press for its story, characters, mocap, VA, mechanics, visuals, you name it. Finding out that someone used GPT for some glorified lorem ipsum to paste on a random background object doesn't change the quality one iota. The art team for this game was paid and hired and they did a phenomenal job with the game, but one of those paid artists took a shortcut for some assets. It's not a "the ayy eye is letting corpo CEOs skip out on paying real human artists!!!" situation here.
Do you know what else paid artists / game studios do other than pay a human to create an asset from scratch? They buy models and textures on the Unreal/etc asset store. The same exact boulder model is present in everything from ffviiR to Clair Obscur to Death Stranding, because it comes free with the engine and is "good enough" just like an AI generated rock texture would be.
Ever hire a professional photo editor? They're using generative AI. Every last one of them. They've been doing it for like 15 years ever since Adobe introduced "content-aware fill" algorithms that generate backgrounds to replace random bystanders or objects in a shot. Is the scary robot stealing someone's job and burning the planet there too?
However, using machine translation without even a proofreading pass is hilarious. Using a conversational model for translation is double hilarious. Surely purpose-built translation tools exist and are more efficient than "asking" chatGPT to "translate this line into Brazilian Portuguese".
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Correct! If you're not going to support artists and writers, the least you can do is not support the industry that's actively destroying the fields of art and writing (on top of the myraid other problems with generative AI)
The guy who used ai to make some technobabble lipsum for an asset was an artist hired by the company. You can see a huge list of the artists that worked on The Alters in the credits. They all got paid. This artist would take home the same wage for typing "gshsjajfkfksiwn" in that asset, or copy and pasting some numbers that were in a readout from a space telescope, or literally using lorem ipsum. If we're really micromanaging every art shortcut as "potential pay to hire more artists" now, why not start counting how many rock/plant/sky/water textures and models in The Alters (or FF7 Rebirth, or literally any UE5 game) are pre-baked assets included with the UE5 license? Game devs actually use those instead of billable hours / salaried hires.
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"like it or not, gen AI is becoming an invaluable tool for developers"..
..who wish to take a dump on their work.
I love seeing these outside views from folks who aren't developers
Gen AI is pretty well integrated into development pipelines at this point. In ways that are subtle and quite useful.
Especially autocomplete as you write code, and boiler plate autofill. These used genai, are subtle and not necessarily intrusive, and are pretty widely integrated across the development ecosystem.
Like everything the poison makes the dose. The larger the dose of genai the more poison you are introducing into your work.
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You're expecting it to be used responsibly when we ourselves in general are very lacking in that department.
This here is a very good example of the actual use that will happen. A rush job to meet unrealistic deadlines. And that's what will happen as is the norm.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's already in use responsibly.
And irresponsibly.
Turns out that you can't really argue the slope of responsibility as a way to shoot down a tool, when that's an individual choice of how someone uses that tool.
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I wouldn’t say „precisely“ as those are (plausible) speculations.
Alright, probably why
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I love seeing these outside views from folks who aren't developers
Gen AI is pretty well integrated into development pipelines at this point. In ways that are subtle and quite useful.
Especially autocomplete as you write code, and boiler plate autofill. These used genai, are subtle and not necessarily intrusive, and are pretty widely integrated across the development ecosystem.
Like everything the poison makes the dose. The larger the dose of genai the more poison you are introducing into your work.
Except others' copyrighted property is one powerful poison.
