The supreme leader of iran refuses to negotiate with usa and calls israel's regime, the zionist regime a bunch of criminals

[kikutwo@lemmy.world]

Of people who now see what Cheeto in Chief has already destroyed and how this despot is similar in many ways.

[xanza@lemm.ee]

You're fuckin' crazy.

[fluxion@lemmy.world]

It's okay to acknowledge that Hitler loved his dogs. It's okay to acknowledge that Iran assessment of Israel being run by war criminals is accurate. It's okay to acknowledge reality. We're just so used to manipulative elements using these point to push extreme ideologies that we've forgotten what genuine freedom of speech/thought looks like.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Okay, so how about giving credit to the ones who are not theocratic monsters rather than the ones who are?

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

No. It's not okay to give monsters credit for anything. Even if they say something that is accurate. You give credit to the people who say that who are not oppressive theocratic mass murderers.

[kikutwo@lemmy.world]

The article is about these two monsters.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Right. And you're giving one of them credit. Don't. He doesn't deserve it whether he's right or wrong. Ever.

[fluxion@lemmy.world]

It is, objectively, okay to state a fact. You are entangling this with people who do so disingenuously to try to humanize monsters or soften extremist ideologies. That's not the case here. It is in fact the opposite: Israel is run by war criminals and the fact that they've given Iran a means to deflect from their own atrocious behavior is a point worth noting and a general trend in the societal decline of this world that we all should be hyper aware of.

[lordwiggle@lemmy.world]

Says the guy who claims a dictator is all good, "trust me".

Women rights

Iran sends ballistic missiles

Iran helps Russia build drones

Proof Russia used Iranian made drones

Do I need to continue? Or did you really block me? The best tactic in a discussion you cannot win is to block the other person. Again, ostrich tactics.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

You are acting like stating a fact is always devoid of context. Facts do not exist in a vacuum. The world is not a giant game of Trivial Pursuit.

In this context, saying he is right is giving him credit. Giving him credit adds to his legitimacy.

[vash63@lemmy.world]

My wife is Iranian. Her family does not side with the Zionists.

[coolicecream@lemmy.world]

Most of them do sode with zionists
And yes you said a good thing
Its mostly between men who side with zionists
And that also has a reason
Which comes back to sexual sicknesses
That men do have

[cris_color@lemmy.world]

Not the person you replied to, but I'd like to offer another perspective

There's a difference between describing things, and giving someone credit, and personally I think refusing to engage with the humanity of monstrous people can make it much harder to recognize monstrousness when it's closer to home

Hitler loving his dogs doesn't make him not responsible for heinous crimes. It seems odd to me to suggest we not acknowledge that that's what people who do monstrous things look like

They're messy and complicated and have traits most would assess as good, and in many ways that only adds to their danger. They don't look like storybook villians, they look like human beings. They love dogs. At times they say reasonable, even compelling things. They make art. They had childhoods, and families, and loved ones. They suffer and bleed and experience joy like any human being does.

And then they kill 17 million people.

[jonne@infosec.pub]

Sooo... Not a lot of world leaders around that aren't involved in supporting genocide or terrorism these days. We just ignore everyone's opinions then?

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Or we just don't legitimize them by patting them on the back for being right once in a while? Just a thought.

[jumi@lemmy.world]

What in the everloving wordsalad is this?

[greatblueheron@lemmy.ca]

Facts, by definition, are devoid of context. They don't change depending on who states them! How can you have a reasonable conversation about anything at all if you can't agree on some baseline facts. That's how the fascists operate - everything the orange turd says is a fact, so you can't reason with them.