You can see who upvoted and downvoted a post by viewing it in friendica.
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Do you have a link to any discussions on this? I have browsed local posts on piefed.social but can't find it. I'd be curious to see more context in support of the trusted instance concept.
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Check this out for general background discussion https://piefed.social/post/205362. The idea to differentiate by trusted instances was mine and not discussed there. Pretty sure there was some discussion about it in the Matrix channel which is lost to time.
During the recent roadmap planning one of the potential units of work was to sort all this out https://piefed.social/post/411591 but it didn't garner significant interest and didn't make it through to the final version of the roadmap.
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Hah, I am all over that first thread already. Also in that second thread. This discussion is getting pretty out of band at this point, but I've actually thought about proper cryptographic solutions to this problem, but it would require modifying activity pub itself. Which is why I'm very much in favor of voting agent anarchy to force the issue.
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Yeah, let's make things less abstract and talk about real examples.
piefed.social is not sending the real voters out. You think that alone should be grounds to get lemmy.ml (your instance) to defederate them. Am I understanding you correctly?
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Oh no, I think defederation is only necessary when an instance becomes a problem. Until piefed.social becomes a haven for trolls to manipulate vote counts (which might never happen) then it's fine.
But if a dozen anonymized piefed.social votes start downvoting everything I say because they're monitoring my account then their admins would need to do something about it. If they didn't, I'd want defederation.
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I've gone to my community and to specific posts, but can't work out how to show downvotes. Can you shed a little light on how to see them please?
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Who cares? If your upvote or downvote or any other activity you deliberately perform on a public platform is something you're embarrassed about and wouldn't be willing to do in a face to face engagement you probably shouldn't be doing it.
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I agree, and if you absolutely must, then maybe make an alt?
The main problem is most people assume their votes are private, as they are private on reddit.
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You can use the Tesseract Lemmy frontend to view votes in your communities. However it will only work on instances on version 0.19.8 or greater, so if your mod accounts are on an instance like that it won't give you the option or let you see them.
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Oh I didn't know that, that's good. Though I think the point still stands since it's not a guarantee instance admins will use it (unless it's a default).
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I think you're misunderstanding just like the Mastodon users who think every tool should be opt-in. The consent piece IS moving to a closed system with whitelisted federation. If you're giving data out publicly with no restrictions but trying to put stipulations on how it's used, it's the same as trying to enforce control through robots.txt, which is by the way a standard protocol.
So if you're going to whine about votes being shown, you should be using a whitelist to block those actors from seeing it, and should be using authorized fetch to limit access to those whitelisted instances specifically, otherwise this is every stupid argument about "why robots.txt should be respected".
