Anon studies Organic Chemistry
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This is so fake that we managed to reach the {fake + gay} threshold without having to tap into the gay potential
Um, the text is green, so it is clearly the unvarnished truth
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Probably. We have a system where you only need to write your student id number but often people also write their names since it makes kt easier to find your exam when going to see what you did right and wrong.
Here, students can also view their graded exams online. There are some professors that don't do it out of fear of the exams questions being leaked. In that case, you'd go there in person, but you would definitely not be able to just go through the exams on your own until you find the right one. That would never pass data protection laws.
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This probably didn't actually happen, but I did have a physics class in college where we had an exam where the highest score was 35%, so it was graded on an absurd curve
I was a physics major, and the whole department was famous for this. I think it's just lazy. They don't make the test for what they actually taught, they just throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.
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This probably didn't actually happen, but I did have a physics class in college where we had an exam where the highest score was 35%, so it was graded on an absurd curve
My 3 terms of intro to o physics were like this. The mechanical engineers that suffered through statics couldn't even bring the curve up too much.
Even with that, it I didn't have two friends in those classes I never would have passed.
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There's a trade school near me that is fucking free. They have a huge endowment and that pays for everything, even room and board for the on-campus students. They still have to advertise and meanwhile kids go $300K into debt to get a degree in English Lit. I'm all for a classic Liberal Arts education but god damn.
In Germany, most trades are organized as apprenticeships with a split of work days and school days, which means you'll basically get paid for school!
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Probably. We have a system where you only need to write your student id number but often people also write their names since it makes kt easier to find your exam when going to see what you did right and wrong.
Sorry but this seems almost archaic to me. When I was a student we were assigned a number by the exam office that we wrote on our exams, then after the exams were corrected the exam office would send us back our result. It was quite simply putting in a middle-man that did the student <-> number mapping so that the people correcting the exams never saw any names.
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My major in college for my BS included all but 2 credit hours of a physics minor, so my final semester, I took Thermal Physics to complete that minor. I've never met a physics course I didn't ace, so I figured "easy A".
I'm quite certain I was the highest scorer in the course and was a solid B+ before the final. I took the final and felt really good about how well I did. I thought sure that professor would curve (or otherwise adjust the grades) and I'd be the one that threw off the curve.
I got my grades back. I got a C. My only C ever, in fact. An A (what I expected) would have gotten me summa cum laude.
The same semester, I took a statistics class. Paid exactly zero attention in class. The class took place in a computer lab for no good reason other than I'm guessing the other classrooms were booked. I played a fast-paced Quake-like FPS every class all class. Got an A in that course.
But that fuckin' thermal physics class.
Years later, a coworker of mine who was an alum of my alma mater told me that they'd taken the professor who taught that thermal physics class off of teaching permanently due to his completely unreasonable grading practices.
I feel kinda bad for anyone ADHD sat behind you, because there's one data structures class where I don't remember a damn thing except the dude in front of me 1CC-ing Einhander.
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Here, students can also view their graded exams online. There are some professors that don't do it out of fear of the exams questions being leaked. In that case, you'd go there in person, but you would definitely not be able to just go through the exams on your own until you find the right one. That would never pass data protection laws.
I mean by find your exam I meant the professor or whoever is taking care of it going through them and finding your name instead of calling out every number.
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Here, students can also view their graded exams online. There are some professors that don't do it out of fear of the exams questions being leaked. In that case, you'd go there in person, but you would definitely not be able to just go through the exams on your own until you find the right one. That would never pass data protection laws.
We only have in person reviews. You go there and the professor goes through calling out the numbers/names if you wrote yours and hands them out for you to check.
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It's also possible to just write a bad question/exam and recognize you need to do better as a professor.
I had a physics professor who graded himself on whether or not he wrote/taught well by the grade distribution. He was always transparent about it and had benchmarks of how it went previous years. He was also one of the most sought after professors.
I also had s philosophy class where the best grade over the entire semester was a 30 and the professor was like yeah this is just expected. You get an A. This guy obviously derived enjoyment from not being a good teacher and for humiliating his students that they really knew nothing about philosophy. That guy sucked.
I had this one teacher in university (not yet a PhD but was working on it) that I ended up taking like 4 different classes from in university. Although he was brilliant and experienced having worked in the industry for 30 years or so, and was naturally a very good teacher and very passionate about what he taught, it's a simple fact was he was new, but he was very humble and transparent about that. The first course I took from him was only his second time teaching that course (or any course), and the other three were each his first. All these courses he built the curriculum himself. Again, he's an excellent teacher, one of the best I ever had, but he was still working out the kinks in his tests. He was being very transparent with us students about his process of choosing to award partial or full credit for questions and problems he decided weren't fair, or were worded ambiguously, always taking feedback during class after getting our graded tests back.
I had a few other courses like that too, and I feel like that system (decreasing the weight of problems that aren't fair to students) is generally a better system than simply grading on a curve. The former is more granular, differentiating poor grades due to lack of study from poor grades to a faulty test. It also provides a clear direction for improving the curriculum next semester. Grading on a curve often feels like a copout to avoid the labor involved in improving the curriculum. BUT on the other hand, if the class really went so poorly that nobody understood the material or if the test was almost totally unfair, then imo grading on a curve could be the fairest solution for the students. There's no perfect solution there, the students time is already wasted, better to give them the benefit of the doubt in that case.
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Wait... are there universities that don't have an anonymous exam system?
I was a university student around ten years ago and we usually wrote our names and student identification numbers right on the exam. For the most part our professors didn't really know us very well anyway (due to the number of students), so I never questioned why it should not be so.
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I keep reading about people grading on a curve and I still can't grasp what that means. Do those teachers have like a set number of A B C, or whatever, they can give out? And if they've run out of A then you get a B? And if the B run out you get a C and so on?
That seems a completely intellectually bankrupt practice! If you don't want more than X people passing, then just grade people with percentages and let only the first X highest through and that's it, but don't lie with fake grades! How insane...It's only ever worked to the benefit of the student in my experience
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Wait until you hear that universities are just literal paywalls to seperate social classes so poor people can’t get good jobs that once were apprenticeships.
Yeah there are plenty of degrees that shouldn't really be an area of study at university. But there are plenty that justify it as well
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Wait... are there universities that don't have an anonymous exam system?
In early 2010s I had a TA give me an A without grading. When I confronted him he said "Why do you care, you know you're getting an A anyways?" Lol. He got reprimanded though.
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This is so fake that we managed to reach the {fake + gay} threshold without having to tap into the gay potential
We did it, Lemmy!
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You forgot to fuck the professor.
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Dean time!
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I keep reading about people grading on a curve and I still can't grasp what that means. Do those teachers have like a set number of A B C, or whatever, they can give out? And if they've run out of A then you get a B? And if the B run out you get a C and so on?
That seems a completely intellectually bankrupt practice! If you don't want more than X people passing, then just grade people with percentages and let only the first X highest through and that's it, but don't lie with fake grades! How insane...At my uni they'd take the highest grade of the class and reset that as the max points and grade from there.
So if max points on an exam was 120 and no-one scored higher then an 85, then an 85 would be an A, 75 a B, etc.
I'm a mediocre student but an amazing test taker and used to compete on math teams. So some of the math heavy engineering courses I would get perfect exam scores and sometimes the prof would ignore me as the highest grade. I was frustrated at first because my A didn't mean the same as someone's but I realized later it was to stop me from getting beat up by a bunch of 30 yo guys.
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At my uni they'd take the highest grade of the class and reset that as the max points and grade from there.
So if max points on an exam was 120 and no-one scored higher then an 85, then an 85 would be an A, 75 a B, etc.
I'm a mediocre student but an amazing test taker and used to compete on math teams. So some of the math heavy engineering courses I would get perfect exam scores and sometimes the prof would ignore me as the highest grade. I was frustrated at first because my A didn't mean the same as someone's but I realized later it was to stop me from getting beat up by a bunch of 30 yo guys.
I still think the ABCDF system sounds so... childish? But presented like that I can see how it makes sense.
I always thought about more absolute systems as more, eh, honest? More of an absolute value of our worth, but in truth it depends completely on our teachers, so it's not really any "truer" than the letter system. Just a different bias.
I'm glad there are so many interesting answers in this thread
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Professors don't work like that.
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I love the correction system we have at my university. All the exams are pseudonymized with a sticker you receive during the exam and scanned after completion. About 10 to 30 people are involved in correcting the exams for one course. We don't know who the exams belong to as we only see the scanned version on our tablet or computer. Each task is corrected by a different set of people. We can select to see only a single task or subtask to streamline the process of correction, too. Furthermore, all the tasks are checked twice independently. Once done, the system can assign the exams back to the students. I love how it's fair and "anonymous" by design.
wrote last edited by [email protected]i think multiple-choice-exams* are even better because they're corrected by a machine by scanning the checkboxes and saying either "yes" or "no". it's 100% fair and also really effective.
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