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    Be careful, a Rust Dev will accuse you of FUDposting! They might even try to collect evidence on you for being "a terrible person", then sending their followers after you, then individually contact all your publicly known friends about it!

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      Give it time. Once Fortran was king.

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      You're still using BLAS if you really need high-performing matrix calculations tho'

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        Over the last one or two years I feel like Rust haters have gotten even louder than the Rust evangelists. For every person who declares "Rewrite it in Rust!" I see two or three people saying how they hate Rust or how pointless it is and so on.

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        Yeah, this whole meme just looks like ‘I hate Rust and don't want it anywhere’

        Of course, there is importance in trying it everywhere, because it shows where the language and ecosystem lacks and can evolve; but beside that, I think adoption by big companies wouldn't happen if it wasn't any good as some want to believe

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          The 1% that allows Linux to run on the New macbooks if i understand asahi Linux correctly

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          So drivers, I assume.

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            Rust is actually awesome in many ways. No always the right solution, but nice to have in your toolbox.

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              Still waiting on that rust-based Nvidia driver. I assume it will take a few years tho.

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                not a big fan of rust personally. I think it would be much smarter to bring borrow checking to C through annotations. That way we would not have to rewrite the whole world

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                  I get the meme (though why was this single unstable point - imagemagick in the original xkcd - removed? To make the left side seem more stable clmpared to the original idea?), it might be trueish atm.
                  But with rust I feel that a lot of projects that are rewritten in rust are quicker arriving at a "finished" (or almost finished) state where they are more or less just tools being used without much discussion anymore. I guess a lot of commonly used tools already use Rust in some way, but i rarely is an issue which makes this discussion-worthy or generates enough conflict in order to raise awareness outside.

                  I have a hunch that open-source rust-devopment is less of a hassle as a lot of discussion about code or the quality therof is simply avoided by a stricter compiler. If the code committed compiles with rustc there's less possibility of it breaking other things in the codebase or containing hidden dangers that need to be discussed. Overall less friction, less overhead and distruction from the actual coding.

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                    Where is Visual Basic in this diagram? Does nobody enhance blurry license plate pics any more?

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                      So drivers, I assume.

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                      Oh yeah, the current rust work is about giving drivers access to the core abstractions of the kernel

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                        just because they are accepting of people based on gender identity doesn't mean toxicity cannot exist.

                        terfs are a great example of that.

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                        Sure, but I'm saying in general. I don't know why you're so convinced of your position from the one experience you had.

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                          not a big fan of rust personally. I think it would be much smarter to bring borrow checking to C through annotations. That way we would not have to rewrite the whole world

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                          While I agree that would solve much of the motivation behind rewriting in rust, I don't think it would bring many of the rust-enthusiasts over to C. For me at least, the killer feature of rust is having a modern tooling and language with proper library management, functional stuff in the language and one language standard everyone agrees upon.

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                            While I agree that would solve much of the motivation behind rewriting in rust, I don't think it would bring many of the rust-enthusiasts over to C. For me at least, the killer feature of rust is having a modern tooling and language with proper library management, functional stuff in the language and one language standard everyone agrees upon.

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                            I don't think it's about bringing rust enthusiasts to C, it's about the fastest way to bring more safety to the entire ecosystem.

                            I'm not convinced it's possible with just annotations, mind.

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                              Considering that FFI is very much a thing, I'm finding it difficulty to understand the point it's trying to make.

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                                I don't think it's about bringing rust enthusiasts to C, it's about the fastest way to bring more safety to the entire ecosystem.

                                I'm not convinced it's possible with just annotations, mind.

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                                It is possible, it would bring in quite a few restrictions though. The bigger problem I see is that it wouldn't be entirely clear as an end user whether a program is memory safe or not. However, this isn't the case with rust neither. Maybe some kind of certification would help

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                                  While I agree that would solve much of the motivation behind rewriting in rust, I don't think it would bring many of the rust-enthusiasts over to C. For me at least, the killer feature of rust is having a modern tooling and language with proper library management, functional stuff in the language and one language standard everyone agrees upon.

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                                  Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with coding in rust for people who like it. But I do think it's quite a bit of useless work that could be spent more wisely on new products instead of rewriting things that we already have

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                                    It certainly is a pillar of my mental stability.

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                                    Ah, me a pillar of my insanity.

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                                      not a big fan of rust personally. I think it would be much smarter to bring borrow checking to C through annotations. That way we would not have to rewrite the whole world

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                                      C++ already has much more of the required language constructs, which is why there is already an attempt to add borrow checking to C++ called circle. Until that standardizes, I wouldn't expect it in C.

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                                        And Eiffel is in a different plane of existence entirely

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                                          Rust is actually awesome in many ways. No always the right solution, but nice to have in your toolbox.

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                                          Where would you say Rust isn't the right solution?

                                          We always hear how great Rust is, but I'd be curious to know where it isn't.

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