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  • gerald_eliasweb@reddthat.comG This user is from outside of this forum
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      Someone gets it.

      Lets instead do this:

      Every citizen, irrespective of their nationality, skincolor, gender has the right to:

      • living quarters
      • work
      • maximum of 7 hours of work
      • free healthcare
      • paid vacation
      • equal pay and treatment for women
      • freedom of religion and speech

      This is directly taken from a 1936 constitution. Today one could improve on it but we're so much worse, everywhere.

      Now guess which one.

      Go check if you dare

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        The whole IP debate is just pure nonsense. It still relies on the cartesian mind/body dichotomy and an idealism of some sort where "the ideas" exist in their own immaterial cognitive realm. And they think that I can steal these imaginary immaterial entities and they will be gone for good. Yeah...

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        • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.comH [email protected]

          Someone gets it.

          Lets instead do this:

          Every citizen, irrespective of their nationality, skincolor, gender has the right to:

          • living quarters
          • work
          • maximum of 7 hours of work
          • free healthcare
          • paid vacation
          • equal pay and treatment for women
          • freedom of religion and speech

          This is directly taken from a 1936 constitution. Today one could improve on it but we're so much worse, everywhere.

          Now guess which one.

          Go check if you dare

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          Uh... This is coming from the folks who said "he who does not work, neither shall he eat" during a famine so... uh... yeah, that's not the flex you think it is.

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            This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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              This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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              Then patent law is better than intellectual property law, I think it's 50 years after the creator dies and there are loopholes for companies

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                This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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                In that case literally every court also shows a complete misunderstabding of patent law

                So...

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                • propagandalf@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                  The whole IP debate is just pure nonsense. It still relies on the cartesian mind/body dichotomy and an idealism of some sort where "the ideas" exist in their own immaterial cognitive realm. And they think that I can steal these imaginary immaterial entities and they will be gone for good. Yeah...

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                  Oh, so uouve never gone on a spirit journey, cutting your way through dense pneuma with an enchanted cgainsaw to get ideas?

                  I bet thats why you're poor, and i thought of ’bank but on computer', 'music but on computer' and 'books but computer', so get 50% of all thevworlds resources.

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                  • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.comH [email protected]

                    Someone gets it.

                    Lets instead do this:

                    Every citizen, irrespective of their nationality, skincolor, gender has the right to:

                    • living quarters
                    • work
                    • maximum of 7 hours of work
                    • free healthcare
                    • paid vacation
                    • equal pay and treatment for women
                    • freedom of religion and speech

                    This is directly taken from a 1936 constitution. Today one could improve on it but we're so much worse, everywhere.

                    Now guess which one.

                    Go check if you dare

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                    Stalin 1936 constitution. Holidays for "enemies of the people" were unpaid and in a quite cold climate of Siberia. They also cared about fitness of citizens by ensuring no one has too much of food. And if you didn't like it, you get a free ride in a black car to the place of final rest.

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                    • programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.comP [email protected]

                      Then patent law is better than intellectual property law, I think it's 50 years after the creator dies and there are loopholes for companies

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                      Technically IP law covers patents, trademarks, copyright, and designs (sometimes also called design patents). Patent protection is 20 years (plus a little bit extra under certain conditions. Trademarks is indefinite in theory. Copyright (in many jurisdictions) is 70 yrs after death or 50 yrs for certain works (e.g., music recordings). Designs, I'm not really sure.

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                        Uh... This is coming from the folks who said "he who does not work, neither shall he eat" during a famine so... uh... yeah, that's not the flex you think it is.

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                        And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income. At the same time, the population received old-age and disability pensions, maternity leave for women in labor and a huge number of social payments and compensations. Too bad most believe Goebbels propaganda and don't study history.

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                          Stalin 1936 constitution. Holidays for "enemies of the people" were unpaid and in a quite cold climate of Siberia. They also cared about fitness of citizens by ensuring no one has too much of food. And if you didn't like it, you get a free ride in a black car to the place of final rest.

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                          And there it is again. Dont you ever wonder why they had a constitution like this but treated their people like this. Do you have a window in your room? Can you check what happens to enemies of the state where you live? What happens again if you become disabled in our "civilized" societies?

                          have you ever wondered if you're being fed bullshit?

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                          • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.comH [email protected]

                            And there it is again. Dont you ever wonder why they had a constitution like this but treated their people like this. Do you have a window in your room? Can you check what happens to enemies of the state where you live? What happens again if you become disabled in our "civilized" societies?

                            have you ever wondered if you're being fed bullshit?

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                            Dont you ever wonder why they had a constitution like this but treated their people like this. Do you have a window in your room?

                            "Tankie's thoughts", page 423.

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                              And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income. At the same time, the population received old-age and disability pensions, maternity leave for women in labor and a huge number of social payments and compensations. Too bad most believe Goebbels propaganda and don't study history.

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                              And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income.

                              And Ukrainians, don't forget Ukrainians. I know enough about early Soviet history to know that Stalin was a cold-blooded murderer. Not that the rest of the Communist Party was full of upstanding global citizens, but Stalin was particularly egregious.

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                                And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income.

                                And Ukrainians, don't forget Ukrainians. I know enough about early Soviet history to know that Stalin was a cold-blooded murderer. Not that the rest of the Communist Party was full of upstanding global citizens, but Stalin was particularly egregious.

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                                Of course you do, from the textbooks of Goebels and his followers.

                                https://shron1.chtyvo.org.ua/Niedzielko_Romuald/Kresova_knyha_spravedlyvykh_1939_1945_Pro_ukraintsiv_iaki_riatuvaly_poliakiv.pdf

                                http://resource.history.org.ua/cgi-bin/eiu/history.exe?C21COM=2&I21DBN=ELIB&P21DBN=ELIB&Image_file_name=book%2F0008802.pdf&IMAGE_FILE_DOWNLOAD=0

                                https://liva.com.ua/lenin-ukraine.html

                                et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

                                edit: updated links

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                                  This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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                                  I understand what you are saying but i hope you never invent something that can solve a current day crisis.

                                  We are already behind schedule to solve things like climate change. If someone invents breakthrough tech then we need that today and open so other minds can quickly iterate and improve. Not after 20 years of stalling on a bureaucratic advantage.

                                  If it wasn’t for capitalism chaining survival to productivity there would be no reason for this system to exist and we can move on to teach that “all good ideas should be copied”
                                  And “the same ideas can emerge in multiple different minds”

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                                    This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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                                    Would it not be cooler just to be able to live with having to toil and labor for the crumbs of your capitalist owner and you know invent things because you liked to? (Source, you are brainwashed)

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                                      Of course you do, from the textbooks of Goebels and his followers.

                                      https://shron1.chtyvo.org.ua/Niedzielko_Romuald/Kresova_knyha_spravedlyvykh_1939_1945_Pro_ukraintsiv_iaki_riatuvaly_poliakiv.pdf

                                      http://resource.history.org.ua/cgi-bin/eiu/history.exe?C21COM=2&I21DBN=ELIB&P21DBN=ELIB&Image_file_name=book%2F0008802.pdf&IMAGE_FILE_DOWNLOAD=0

                                      https://liva.com.ua/lenin-ukraine.html

                                      et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

                                      edit: updated links

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                                      Surely anyone who dares criticize the great Soviets is a straight up Nazi! There can be no other explanation!

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                                        And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income. At the same time, the population received old-age and disability pensions, maternity leave for women in labor and a huge number of social payments and compensations. Too bad most believe Goebbels propaganda and don't study history.

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                                        How are those comparable? In one an able bodied person refuses work, for they need not to. On the other someone incapable of work receive negligible amounts so they may survive

                                        I also very much so doubt you know who Goebbels is

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                                          Dont you ever wonder why they had a constitution like this but treated their people like this. Do you have a window in your room?

                                          "Tankie's thoughts", page 423.

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                                          What you're doing is called a "thought stopper" or "conversation stopper". It is used in propaganda for hundreds of years.

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