They lost me during the bit about "Do you want to have to not just learn about but care about ticky-tacky coder stuff when you are just a person trying to play a video game?"
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They lost me during the bit about "Do you want to have to not just learn about but care about ticky-tacky coder stuff when you are just a person trying to play a video game?"
In fighting games for example, frame data is essential for learning the game. It's like knowing what the pieces do in chess. They just want to move the horsey around and not worry about all these pesky mechanics. Not all games need to be like that, but it's absolutely appropriate in certain genres.
Parries we're awesome in Sekiro because the entire game was built around them. The parry window was wide and the whole game was built to be a sort of rhythm combat game. It's important to note that the parry wasn't the only tool you were supposed to use. You had to react with Mikiri counters and jumps as well. The whole game came together to make the incredible duels that feel like a dance.
If they wanted to say that developers saw Sekiro's popularity and started shoving parries in where they don't belong then I could see that argument. There's some nuance there that this blanket statement of parries bad misses though.
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They lost me during the bit about "Do you want to have to not just learn about but care about ticky-tacky coder stuff when you are just a person trying to play a video game?"
In fighting games for example, frame data is essential for learning the game. It's like knowing what the pieces do in chess. They just want to move the horsey around and not worry about all these pesky mechanics. Not all games need to be like that, but it's absolutely appropriate in certain genres.
Parries we're awesome in Sekiro because the entire game was built around them. The parry window was wide and the whole game was built to be a sort of rhythm combat game. It's important to note that the parry wasn't the only tool you were supposed to use. You had to react with Mikiri counters and jumps as well. The whole game came together to make the incredible duels that feel like a dance.
If they wanted to say that developers saw Sekiro's popularity and started shoving parries in where they don't belong then I could see that argument. There's some nuance there that this blanket statement of parries bad misses though.
I call bullshit on fighting games and frame data.
I remember ages ago when SF4 happened I was friends with a pretty solid tournament competitor and talking about this he mentioned that frame counting is for nerds because the only thing you need to know is if you can push a button or not and that happens from intuition, which is true. At least it's true in a good game that has good animation. I've always had a kick of beating sweaties with their "this is minus three" obsession by having solid fundamentals. Some of them got pretty annoyed.
And to this day I will claim that Dragon Ball FighterZ is the best fighting game of the last decade specifically because a) every basic combo route is built out of repeatable, simplistic, easy to remember chunks, and b) you can mash the CRAP out of 90% of that game's links and they work perfectly fine unless you're trying to do a rejump or time an assist extension.
I will die on this hill, except I won't because I'm right. I will survive on this hill. Make a little cottage on it and play fighting games inside it.
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I call bullshit on fighting games and frame data.
I remember ages ago when SF4 happened I was friends with a pretty solid tournament competitor and talking about this he mentioned that frame counting is for nerds because the only thing you need to know is if you can push a button or not and that happens from intuition, which is true. At least it's true in a good game that has good animation. I've always had a kick of beating sweaties with their "this is minus three" obsession by having solid fundamentals. Some of them got pretty annoyed.
And to this day I will claim that Dragon Ball FighterZ is the best fighting game of the last decade specifically because a) every basic combo route is built out of repeatable, simplistic, easy to remember chunks, and b) you can mash the CRAP out of 90% of that game's links and they work perfectly fine unless you're trying to do a rejump or time an assist extension.
I will die on this hill, except I won't because I'm right. I will survive on this hill. Make a little cottage on it and play fighting games inside it.
That hasn't been my experience at all. Knowing the difference between what's plus, what's minus, and what's block punishable is super important. Knowing if I can set up a frame trap is huge, and it works specifically because it isn't always intuitive. In Tekken especially you need to know your frames for block punishes, when you can sidestep, and what options your opponent has in a given situation.
It's not always mandatory, but it's always useful.
