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this place feels more like reddit everyday... western colonial echo chamber masquerading as 'the good guys'

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Ukraine didn't even want to join NATO. Before the invasion, that is. Also Russia doesn't get to tell other countries which alliances it can and cannot join, what are you, an imperialist or something?

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U can have it bro.
Russian behavior in Ukraine is actually very nice

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sorry if the truth conflicts with your 'reality'

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You are literally reading EU state propaganda in this very post, an article by "kyivinsider" sourcing its information from "alliance4europe", funded by the European Parliament and the Polish International Affairs ministry among others (according to its own website, feel free to check the link inside the article).

That doesn't mean that it's fake news or anything, the report is most likely true, just that it's really ironic that we're consuming state propaganda designed to make us worried about state propaganda from other "evil" countries (unlike our glorious EU parliament, not on a fascist downward spiral at all)

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Keep in mind that state propaganda doesn't equate misinformation. This very article is western state propaganda ("kyivinsider" using "alliance4europe" as a source for the article), and the report is most likely true. You don't need to strictly lie or misinform to create state propaganda, you just need to propagate your talking points and direct the public discourse to given topics. We're very concerned about Russian propaganda (and rightfully so) but, fuck, we've been literally supporting a genocide and all the state propaganda from our own western countries was directing ourselves in other direction, maybe we should worry about that too. We're literally consuming state propaganda right now in this article.

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Honestly, props to you for fleeing the US while you could, the genocidal empire is on a spiral to fascism. May I ask where you've decided to move?

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Because they were the generation teaching the first group of kids growing up with the internet and they were actually very right to tell us that. Their role is unique. The generation matters. There’s your insight.

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What 'reality'?

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Wikipedia, according to itself, isn't a reliable source when it comes to such internationally hot topics. It's primarily written by western young men who are mostly exposed exclusively to western media, and the articles they write are referenced by this same media. If you wanna read a bit more on this, I did a writeup some weeks ago about this very topic, sourcing my information from wikipedia itself.

With this I don't mean to say that the accusations you're showing are false, I honestly don't have enough information to confirm or deny it, but in times of war information is a powerful tool and media from both sides won't doubt to distort information to benefit their own countries.

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You are commenting in a post linking to "kyivinsider", whose article sources its information from "alliance4europe", this is literally state propaganda. I don't mean to say it's disinformation because the content of the article is probably true, but this is evidence that state propaganda is already rampant in Lemmy and we should be aware of it.

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Just curious. Would you support a civil war in now openly fascist USA (see support of genocide and nazi salutes in presidential inauguration)? I don't support civil war in either because that's a horrifying outcome for the population of both.

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The UK. I am a dual national.

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Called it. There's only one genocide that matters and it only matters because Palestinians can be used as a pawn in internet argument.

Fuck queer people as usual.

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They literally cite their sources. They always cite their sources. Just dismissing it as "Wikipedia is written by Westerners" pretends that isn't true. And I know you're not that stupid.

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Let me guess- you think I think I'm one of the good guys.

But there are no good guys. Humans are selfish assholes. All of them. Unless you want to argue that you are one of the good guys.

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Could you please do me the favour and read my writeup before responding like that? I addressed what you're saying.

Wikipedia itself has an article on its own bias, and an article on which sources the wiki editors consider reliable. Feel free to read my writeup for extended info on that.

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Welp, here's hoping that western Europe doesn't end up going in the same direction. I'm western European myself and I'm fucking afraid of the fascist spiral we're seeing here too.

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Is your writeup about that specific article? Because if not, it's irrelevant. You can judge whether the source is reliable by going there, which you are apparently unwilling to do because you've already decided it's too biased.

Also, there are Wikipedia editors from all over the world. I think you know that too.

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Is your writeup about that specific article? Because if not, it's irrelevant.

You can just say you don't care to read about the intrinsic biases in wikipedia in specific topics and that you'll keep uncritically using it.

Also, there are Wikipedia editors from all over the world

Wikipedia ITSELF acknowledges that the vast majority of articles, especially those written in "western" languages, are edited primarily by western men. I'm not making shit up, Wikipedia literally talks about it in a meta-article about bias in wikipedia.

Seems like your real problem is they're being big meanies to Russia which only has the best intentions for Ukrainians and would never commit any war crimes.

Russia is a capitalist regime on a downwards spiral to fascism, and it's perfectly capable of committing war crimes, it's currently ongoing in increasing oppression of its own women and LGTBQ. That doesn't mean we should take Wikipedia's word during war time for granted. Go through the sources of the article and tell me how many non-western or non-Ukrainian ones are used. I've seen an article from the Russian oppositional media "Meduza" but I unfortunately can't read Russian so I can't really tell what it says. Plenty of other reference from outright US/Ukraine propaganda outlets such as the "conflict observatory", a US "NGO" receiving money from the NED; or such as Ukrainian media, which obviously have a stake in this topic.

Please, give my writeup a chance, and if you have anything to comment on it, feel free to let me know

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