DuckStation dev dropping support for Linux
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
I think I've been using pcsxr for too long to care.
Is there anything that makes duckstation worth using over the other psx emulators?
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
make free open source software
people repackage for their distros
get mad when you receive support requests for outdated packages
change license to prevent further repackages
Linux users continue using old version to avoid restrictive license change
Continue to receive support requests for old packages before license change
crash out
Am I doing this right?
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dude has a PhD and the social skills of the paper it's printed on
That's insulting to the paper.
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Who cares? The source is there. Do it anyways. DeCSS was technically illegal for ages in the US. VLC (not hosted in the US) still contained it to play DVDs.
"Not allowed" and "Can't" are two VERY different things.
There's a bunch of protections in fair use things that actually allowed or made that a very grey area, so end users could do it.
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From the linked comment it sounds like there was a license change in the projects history. I'm surprised the various distro packagers didn't just collaborate on a renamed fork, unless there are more actively developed emulators still under a FLOSS licence?
Edit yep it was GPLv3 about 11 months ago: https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/commit/7f4e5d55dbdef5a50e0aa4994f667fb03d854928
I believe there is a fork from the last GPLv3 version called SwanStation.
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make free open source software
people repackage for their distros
get mad when you receive support requests for outdated packages
change license to prevent further repackages
Linux users continue using old version to avoid restrictive license change
Continue to receive support requests for old packages before license change
crash out
Am I doing this right?
Yes but be sure to be condescending through it all
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I believe there is a fork from the last GPLv3 version called SwanStation.
Better name at the very least
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
Two things can be true at the same time:
- I am grateful you are using your time to develop free and open source software without gaining anything in return.
- Being pissed at people asking for support for something you didn't make, do not give you a free pass on being an asshole by changing your license
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He doesn't 1) install, 2) approves any bowl, 3) or should he. He can refuse to make bidet seats any time, but prefers wașiki seats instead.
He directly provides releases for Windows x64/ARM64, Linux x86_64/ARM32/ARM64 (in AppImage format), and macOS. He also explicitly forbids modifications, and since he considers "pre-configured settings" to be modifications, and this is basically barring any other distribution.
So while ultimately you're right in that he doesn't install it himself, he provides a super-simple "do it yourself" kit for people who live in apartments, while making anyone else who lives in a house have to assemble it from a million separate pieces themselves.
Note that I'm sympathetic, and I don't know what the solution here is, but hopefully everyone figures it out...
wrote last edited by [email protected]Ok, then I’m wrong. The seat maker prefers wașiki, bidets, and flachspüler seats, but bidet users are at most risk of losing support, because Arch bidets stop dogfooding their bidet hinges correctly.
Agreed on the last 2 paragraphs.
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You could if you want fork from when it was GPLv3: https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/commit/7f4e5d55dbdef5a50e0aa4994f667fb03d854928
Yes, making a fork from the newest version that allows it would be the way to go. I am quite unfamiliat with PS1 emulation but perhaps there are others anyway?
Open source freedom means that the author can have crazy license, and we can just not use it or look for alternatives
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dude has a PhD and the social skills of the paper it's printed on
wrote last edited by [email protected]Not to break a few illusions of scholastic integrity, but when making a doctoral thesis, you're not there to make friends. Social skills drop as you go up the academic ladder, and it's designed this way.
I'm not saying I sympathize either, but society doesn't make it easier for masters to earn their doctorates. A simple “Who was your day, wanna go grab tea, hey let's unwind at xyz” does resharpen social skills like you won't believe.
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Yes but be sure to be condescending through it all
wrote last edited by [email protected]The entitlement is strong. But not with the person who creates an open source emulator in their spare time and gives it away for free, but for those who demand free support.
It's a quite common issue with open source stuff.
- Dude makes a thing.
- Dude thinks maybe others could benefit from it, so he gives it away for free
- Entitled morons think customer is king also applies for stuff they didn't pay for and demand free support
- Dude gets overwhelmed and frustrated by having to play free customer support hotline for his free product and after a while pulls back
- Entitled morons get up in arms and call dude condescending and worse for not doing free customer support for the free thing, somehow believing that dude owes them something.
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The dev forbids packaging his emulator via licence. I'm pleading that they're the asshole here.
Because he kept getting entitled support requests for badly packaged versions of his project in some linux distros.
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Doesn't change how people treat developers. I gather this guy isn't that great, but people should just move elsewhere instead of being hostile.
That happens so often with non-corporation FOSS. Some dude makes something cool and shares it for free, and in turn they get a butload of entitled support requests of idiots who think that "customer is king" applies for stuff they didn't pay for too, and who think that the developer owes them something for using his software.
A similar thing happened with M66B. He got so fed up that he pulled all his apps. Luckily people managed to talk him out of it, but it's really understandable.
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Better name at the very least
How about we not bring anti-duckiness into here.
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The entitlement is strong. But not with the person who creates an open source emulator in their spare time and gives it away for free, but for those who demand free support.
It's a quite common issue with open source stuff.
- Dude makes a thing.
- Dude thinks maybe others could benefit from it, so he gives it away for free
- Entitled morons think customer is king also applies for stuff they didn't pay for and demand free support
- Dude gets overwhelmed and frustrated by having to play free customer support hotline for his free product and after a while pulls back
- Entitled morons get up in arms and call dude condescending and worse for not doing free customer support for the free thing, somehow believing that dude owes them something.
Completely agree, and entitled gamers are some of the worst.
Though I don’t think that should completely excuse our dev here from handling it poorly. They made their product worse and then was surprised when things got worse.
Ultimately it’s their prerogative for which systems they choose to develop. Fortunately there are alternatives. -
You could if you want fork from when it was GPLv3: https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/commit/7f4e5d55dbdef5a50e0aa4994f667fb03d854928
But how did he changed from copyleft licence to stricter? Isn't it already vialenced copyleft licence?
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The entitlement is strong. But not with the person who creates an open source emulator in their spare time and gives it away for free, but for those who demand free support.
It's a quite common issue with open source stuff.
- Dude makes a thing.
- Dude thinks maybe others could benefit from it, so he gives it away for free
- Entitled morons think customer is king also applies for stuff they didn't pay for and demand free support
- Dude gets overwhelmed and frustrated by having to play free customer support hotline for his free product and after a while pulls back
- Entitled morons get up in arms and call dude condescending and worse for not doing free customer support for the free thing, somehow believing that dude owes them something.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Why did they have to provide support? That is the part that is confusing. You could say they can't get anything done due to bug requests and can't seperate the spam from the ham, but nobody makes anyone do support.
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I think I've been using pcsxr for too long to care.
Is there anything that makes duckstation worth using over the other psx emulators?
Apparently it's really good. I think I have it on my steam deck. But I recently just dusted off a ps3 (which has a ps1 built in) made it network ready and viola.
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Because he kept getting entitled support requests for badly packaged versions of his project in some linux distros.
No, that came after he changed the license. Linux users installed an old version because that was the newest version that was allowed to be packaged. Then, people gave bug reports and feature requests, based on that old version (which were already addressed in newer versions), mostly because they didn't know any better.
It's not entitlement if you want to use the package manager on a linux system.
