They're clogging exhaust pipes with foam: Russian sabotage in Germany to discredit the Greens?

[federalreverse@feddit.org]

Burbok

Analene Baerbock

Analena Burbok

Berbok

Kaja Kalas

Roderick Kiesewetter

Wtf. They managed to mispell Annalena Baerbock four different ways, and they also mangled Kaja Kallas and Roderich Kiesewetter. They had no issue spelling Bundestag or Bundeswehr however. Do they hate all these people or did the writer lose a bet of some sort?

[not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Too bad you can't do this to cyber trucks.

[grue@lemmy.world]

For all I know that user may indeed be sus, but not because of those comments, which don't say what you claim they say:

1. The first comment wasn't "talking up the Greens;" it was accusing the Democratic Party of disregarding leftists. It did not say that people should not vote for Harris; it only explained why they might make that choice. Furthermore, it cast that schism between leftists and Democrats as a bad thing that would lead to disaster, which is the opposite of advocating for it. Especially in retrospect, his criticism of the Democrats was correct, and so was his prediction that Harris would move further right and then lose.

2. The second comment did not say that Trump's environmental policies were better than Biden's; it said that the pandemic was a good example of degrowth. At most it was a fatalistic "the outcomes under Trump will be better for the climate because he'll fuck everything up so bad that the whole economy will grind to a halt" sort of argument.

3. In the third comment, he was arguing against protest-voting for third-party candidates under our current first-past-the-post voting system.

Frankly, I think @[email protected] acted hastily and should double-check your "research."

[philipthebucket@ponder.cat]

What I said was:

• "the person you’re talking to was talking up the Greens in the US" - Third link, "it might be nice if we had real proportional representation - party ballots and larger congressional delegations - such that voting for a Green or Libertarian or Reform party ballot means you might actually be sending someone who shares your views to the assembly". There was none of this concern trolling about "The Green Party has been doing far too good a job of sabotaging itself ... Lay voters are not going to be inspired to vote for your bloc on the grounds that Russia is being very mean and unfair to you."
• "saying that it makes perfect sense for people to support them instead of Democrats" - Same citation as previous point
• "saying we needed to reform things to try to get them in power" - Third link. That was the point about proportional representation. There was none of this "too good a job of sabotaging itself". It was just well-intentioned attempts at reform to help them to get into office, instead of kicking them when they're down for failing to get into office. And then, in the Europe, it's reversed, where the Greens are the ones who get kicked if they're doing a bad "job" getting into office, instead of that meaning they need help because they'll do good things if they get in.
• "They also contrasted Trump’s environmental policies favorably to Biden’s" - Second link. Yes, they described Trump's plan as "degrowth," and raised specific misleading criticisms about Biden's IRA, which had had plenty of time to come into effect and start dropping emissions by the time they wrote that. Now that we have Trump's actual policy changes to compare that claim to, claiming he'll do degrowth looks even more fucking ridiculous than it did before, as long as you're not trying to give him credit for Covid degrowth. Do you want citations? I can probably give you ten for absolutely tectonic climate fuck-ups he's been trying to make happen in the last month. He's already been firing crucial climate scientists. No one at Exxon is getting degrowthed.
• "who they said was causing all kinds of environmental problems" - Second link. They blamed Biden for the fact that extraction is still rising as it always is, which I guess is fair if incomplete, and then turned around and airily dismissed the IRA as nothing of consequence. The IRA was the single biggest action any American president has ever taken on the climate, by almost a factor of 10, and it's already reduced emissions. Of course, now that Trump is running around cancelling pieces of it left and right, its future impact is heavily in doubt. Thanks.

I think that's every piece of my statement, and where it is supported in the links I gave. Your summaries are also wrong in places, I think, but mainly I want to focus on where every piece of what I said is backed up somewhere in the citations I gave, instead of getting into an extended tit-for-tat.

[federalreverse@feddit.org]

You're right in that the comments weren't talking up the US Greens and I did act a little hastily. However, I did also look at the things they post, they are pushing very different narratives in quick succession and they're trolling a lot, especially in comments. This is a selection of just posts:

• anti-Kennedy Jr: https://lemmy.world/post/24958175
• implicitly pro-third party meme (post-election!): https://lemmy.world/post/21714462
• election manipulation meme (pre-election): https://lemmy.world/post/21402404
• Harris demotivation copypasta: https://lemmy.world/post/20997757
• "Gay guy" third party (likely just humor with no real kernel of truth): https://lemmy.world/post/20259569
• weird pro-Trump article (maybe posted ironically): https://lemmy.world/post/17554165
• pro-Biden Pepe (probably an edited Republican meme): https://lemmy.world/post/17050406
• unmarked anti-Republican AI image: https://lemmy.world/post/16449278

However, the comments are sufficiently unique, and they do consistently say they're from Texas.

Anyway, unbanning, I guess. Thanks to you too.

[apathytree@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Most vehicles now have locking fuel covers, don’t they?

[federalreverse@feddit.org]

Right-wing tabloid Bild picked up the story in December when the Russian connection wasn't known. So yeah.

[lemmchen@feddit.org]

That's a shit take. This is a false flag operation to discredit the climate activists scene and not some sort of environmentalism.

[grue@lemmy.world]

Don't get me wrong: for all I know, maybe a ban is justified. I just didn't think those particular comments previously cited were enough to do it, and I'm glad you investigated further.

[jagged_circle@feddit.nl]

Anything to stop oil is helping us

[delphia@lemmy.world]

If you plug a loud muffler with foam they will just cut it off and run open pipes.

[f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz]

This can kill; I know someone who died of carbon monoxide poisoning due to a clogged exhaust. It ventilates away if the vehicle is in motion but they were idling.

[rhondasandtits@lemmy.sdf.org]

Disclaimer: The translations are mostly done through AI translator and might not be 100% accurate.

Lol

[genosseflosse@feddit.org]

They would not get a Straßenzulassung or operation permit in Germany anyway for safety reasons.

[zip2@feddit.uk]

Good. Easier for the next lot of foam to get to the engine.

[cyberegg@discuss.tchncs.de]

But this is not helping to stop oil, this is helping those who try to stop people from stopping oil.

[elrecoal19_0@lemmy.world]

This isn't helping stop oil or achieve climate action, this is precisely to keep the people who wanna stop oil and take climate action out of goverment lmao