Tutanota / Mailbox.org?
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This. You can't use your client, not on your phone nor on your PC. Therefore Tutanota was never a viable option
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With tuta, I was locked into using their apps which kind of sucked. I moved to mailbox.org with the intent of encrypting my inbox but never did in the end. I'm happy to have IMAP/SNMP back that's for sure.
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Damn, thought they did. Could have sworn Privacy Guides said it was free.
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I just got on Tuta and don't want to do this every 3 years forever. Can you elaborate on Tuta upselling the customer? I just need reasonable encryption, basic mail service, and for my data not to be in the hands of psychopaths.
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Every once in a while they'll send you an email with special CSS styling so you can't avoid seeing it and you can't unsubscribe from it. They call it a newsletter. It's advertising. It's less news and more begging you to buy more of their stuff. Very occasionally they'll bump new features onto a higher tier but still show that feature in your UI, with special CSS styling. God forbid if they try to upgrade your account but you deny because you're happy with the features you have now and the amount you pay; they push harder and harder the longer you're on a 'legacy' tier.
It happened to me. It'll happen to you.
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Huge beginner here, but privacytools.io says Mailbox is encrypted? Is it the "end to end" part? How did you find out they're not?
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"stay away" from something, means to avoid it, they are saying to not use it
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we encrypy our stuff for you, trust us bro
Their clients are open source. Might not be "standard" like PGP, but if you could read code, you could verify that it's encrypted before it gets sent.
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Oh lol.
tuta will try to upsell you
"upsell" refers to a sales tactic, where a salesperson keeps trying to convince you to buy something more than you might need. Basically, you want to buy a $200 TV, and the sales person tells you: "Hey this $700 TV is much better, it has 8K High Definition, Premium Speakers... etc, etc..."
And then you say: "No thanks, I just want the $200 TV
"But they keep repeating the $700 tv over and over and it gets annoying. That's what the user is claiming that Tuta is doing.
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special CSS styling so you can’t avoid seeing it
you can't set your client to plain-text only?
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Mailbox encrypts the email at rest on their servers but with the encryption keys they own. Protonmail, in contrast, uses zero access encryption where they encrypt your data with your public key and they do not know or have access to your private key to be able to decrypt the data even if they wanted to.
Mailbox has a zero access encryption service called (I think) Guard that basically encrypts the email with PGP where they would no longer be able to decrypt your email. But it’s not enabled by default.
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I'm all for options, to be honest. What ideally I'd like is some sort of good encrypted email based in some safe European country, which can achieve decent Android integration. Proton apps are pretty useless to that effect (lack of offline basic functionalities, the calendar app isn't even an android calendar provider).
I'm not too hard in moving around my emails, since for the last few years I've been giving my email @duck.com which actually ends up sending to my final email after some tracking cleaning. Changing email provider would entail only updating my @duck.com destination. -
I'd try avoiding email hosting. I've heard way too many times that it's too much pain when it fails, and when it fails basically emails are bounced. I can't afford to miss taxes emails or other important stuff.
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For what's worth, I'm going to give it a shot on the month trial. But I already see the middle tier for 3€ offers 10GB email only. I think I can fit my current old mail backup in about 4GB, but it would be slightly tight, I guess. I'm on an older Proton plan which charges about 3USD per month (by-yearly) and it gets me about 20GB. I think shared between cloud and email (I'm not actually interested in the cloud part, I have Seafile for that).
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Thanks, these are the kind of valid points I'm looking for. I noticed the lack of 2fa when I was registering for the demo, they only asked for a backup email or a phone number...neither too privacy-friendly there. But I guess I can live with that.
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Email is never "end to end encrypted" outside of layering something else on like PGP- which you could use with any email service.
