Ukraine and Europe reduced to bit players in US-Russian plan for peace
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EU needs to just say fuck it at this point and give the ultimatum that unless they and Ukraine are included with the talks, they are sending troops into Ukraine. The Polish have been itching to kill Russians for decades and to be honest, 80% of the EU has well. When that first underwater cable was cut, it should have been game on.
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Wtf are we even doing there? Even if we're trying to sell out Ukraine, I don't see much happening without Ukraine at the table. The motivators are going to be sticks and carrots. The best carrot I can see the US getting Ukraine is peace or ceasefire alongside the cessation of some of their land. But that ignores that Russia broached peace agreements twice in this mess. So it's not possible to trust anything Russia offers (kudos on that 4D chess, Putin, you pathetic slobdog).
That leaves leaning on the rest of Europe and continuing the resistance as the only viable option. Unless we give them sticks, which would be insane and fully exile the US as a pariah state from the rest of the free world. It would kill trade and drop us into an instant depression. Which they might think they're fine with, but that's quite a shortcut to the guillotine.
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The billionaire class are all done with us. They have their private bunkers with hired goons to protect them, and WANT a depression. Chaos, millions killed, bird flu unleashed, all that and more they want so they can carve out kingdoms from the ruined democracies they are targeting. That's what they want, and Putin is more than happy to help them do it
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The rest of NATO needs to call Trump's bluff and just start acting without the US. Hold a vote to induct Ukraine into NATO without giving the US a chance to vote on it and then deploy NATO troops into Ukraine. Russia has already been claiming that there are NATO troops there for a while now, should show him at an actual NATO defense looks like instead of a bunch of desperate Ukrainians with hand me down surplus weaponry.
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Honest question to someone who is a legit expert on … international treaties? geopolitics?
How the fuck can an uninvolved and uninvited country declare itself a party to negotiations for peace? Does anyone even think the US is authorized to offer concessions on behalf of an absent nation? Isn’t this entire disgusting spectacle unenforceable?
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The EU doesn't have the troops to put in Ukraine. At the best, they can muster a little over 100k troops. A lot of peope don't realize that the EU is demilitarized, pretty much. They wouldn't do very well against a peer military. lol
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I'm waiting for an AI edited version of everyday news where current "people in charge" discuss using sensible words
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The main thing I got from this is that Saudi Arabia doesn't respect an international arrest warrant on Putin.
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Isn’t this entire disgusting spectacle unenforceable?
Yes, but Trump is far too stupid to realize that.
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Just FYI to other readers, this is just made up. Like not even "did a search and is being a little hyperbolic", just not even in the vague realm of reality.
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Uh no. I've done my research, now do some yourself. Learn to fish grasshopper.
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What about against the Russian military?
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Funny, I recently spoke with a guy from Finland, who basically claimed they could take Russia on their own.
That's probably overstating it a bit, but in the 40's Germany took a pretty huge chunk of the Soviet Union alone.
Only with help from USA was the Soviet Union able to resist the Germans.Russia is thoroughly corrupt and incompetent, and even the Soviet era of willingness to die for nothing, will not help them if Europe joins in helping Ukraine in a full scale military effort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel
France alone has 270000 troops! Just including Germany makes it almost ½ a million!
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Have you been to Russia recently? Didn't think so. The most corrupt country in Europe is ... Yup Ukraine.
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Son/kid That's not all combat troops. I'm referring to boots on the ground, combat troops. How many rear soldiers do you think it takes to support 100 k soldiers? I bet you have no Fricken clue … Look deeper.
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No you didn't. Every major country has standing armies well over 100k. The entire EU has ~1.3M active duty troops.
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US is not an ally of the west.
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Plus calling the Russian army a "peer military " is fucking hilarious after the display in Ukraine. I'm sure the asshole you're responding to in St. Petersburg is desperately trying to avoid being sent there.
