Ukraine and Europe reduced to bit players in US-Russian plan for peace
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Isn’t this entire disgusting spectacle unenforceable?
Yes, but Trump is far too stupid to realize that.
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Just FYI to other readers, this is just made up. Like not even "did a search and is being a little hyperbolic", just not even in the vague realm of reality.
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Uh no. I've done my research, now do some yourself. Learn to fish grasshopper.
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What about against the Russian military?
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Funny, I recently spoke with a guy from Finland, who basically claimed they could take Russia on their own.
That's probably overstating it a bit, but in the 40's Germany took a pretty huge chunk of the Soviet Union alone.
Only with help from USA was the Soviet Union able to resist the Germans.Russia is thoroughly corrupt and incompetent, and even the Soviet era of willingness to die for nothing, will not help them if Europe joins in helping Ukraine in a full scale military effort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel
France alone has 270000 troops! Just including Germany makes it almost ½ a million!
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Have you been to Russia recently? Didn't think so. The most corrupt country in Europe is ... Yup Ukraine.
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Son/kid That's not all combat troops. I'm referring to boots on the ground, combat troops. How many rear soldiers do you think it takes to support 100 k soldiers? I bet you have no Fricken clue … Look deeper.
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No you didn't. Every major country has standing armies well over 100k. The entire EU has ~1.3M active duty troops.
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US is not an ally of the west.
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Plus calling the Russian army a "peer military " is fucking hilarious after the display in Ukraine. I'm sure the asshole you're responding to in St. Petersburg is desperately trying to avoid being sent there.
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Oh boy, so Ukraine is most corrupt, and only a 4th the population and military of Russia, Still Ukraine has very successfully fought against Russia. So Russia in 3 years has only been able to achieve a fraction of what they claimed could be done in 3 weeks, or maybe even 3 days!
And you claim Europe combined wouldn't do any better?!
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Tankies are just extremely weird people.
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OK first you are moving the goal post, you merely wrote troops originally, now you change it to combat troops.
But yes I know the ratio is usually 1:4, meaning about 250K European COMBAT troops.This is still way more than the 100K you claimed above.
All in all you are full of shit.
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Yes, it's completely unenforceable.
However, Ukraine depends on US aid and if they reject the deal they'll have to keep fighting without it.
So they're fucked either way.
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There's no such thing as "authorization". The US can make whatever deals it likes, it doesn't mean Ukraine has to listen. There's no such thing as "international enforcement" in the first place, just individual nations flexing power on other nations.
US weapons are important to Ukraine, so the US could flex that power and try to make Ukraine do what it says by withholding them, but if they think they can go it alone or Europe steps up, they don't need to listen.
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I'm not moving the goalposts. I forget that I’m talking to civilians. It takes more soldiers in the rear to support soldiers in the front. So the % of combat troops is the tip of the spear. The total number of troops means little, it's the number of troops that are the tip of the spear. The EU has little in combat capacity, and most of the equipment has been destroyed in Ukraine. So what are they going to fight with?
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I don't agree with that number.
EU Combat Troop Numbers
The European Union has established EU Battlegroups, which consist of battalion-sized forces reinforced with combat support elements, typically comprising 1,500 troops each.
As of 2023, eighteen battlegroups were operational, with two being ready for deployment at any given time.
Additionally, a permanent European Union Rapid Deployment Capacity (EU RDC) consisting of up to 5,000 troops (the size of a brigade) is to be operational by 2025.
These forces are under the direct control of the Council of the European Union.
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Defence forces of the European Union - Wikipedia
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EU Battlegroup - Wikipedia
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The never-ending debate of the European Army and why it is unhelpful | Heinrich Böll Stiftung
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United States military deployments - Wikipedia
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European army - Wikipedia
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EU Battlegroups |OK, do you math at any one time 2 battlegroups are ready to go, that's 27,000 and not all combat troops. LOL
