Ukraine and Europe reduced to bit players in US-Russian plan for peace
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Plus calling the Russian army a "peer military " is fucking hilarious after the display in Ukraine. I'm sure the asshole you're responding to in St. Petersburg is desperately trying to avoid being sent there.
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Oh boy, so Ukraine is most corrupt, and only a 4th the population and military of Russia, Still Ukraine has very successfully fought against Russia. So Russia in 3 years has only been able to achieve a fraction of what they claimed could be done in 3 weeks, or maybe even 3 days!
And you claim Europe combined wouldn't do any better?!
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Tankies are just extremely weird people.
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Everything is fine, citizen. Go outside and kiss a pigeon. -Robot News.
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OK first you are moving the goal post, you merely wrote troops originally, now you change it to combat troops.
But yes I know the ratio is usually 1:4, meaning about 250K European COMBAT troops.This is still way more than the 100K you claimed above.
All in all you are full of shit.
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Yes, it's completely unenforceable.
However, Ukraine depends on US aid and if they reject the deal they'll have to keep fighting without it.
So they're fucked either way.
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There's no such thing as "authorization". The US can make whatever deals it likes, it doesn't mean Ukraine has to listen. There's no such thing as "international enforcement" in the first place, just individual nations flexing power on other nations.
US weapons are important to Ukraine, so the US could flex that power and try to make Ukraine do what it says by withholding them, but if they think they can go it alone or Europe steps up, they don't need to listen.
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I'm not moving the goalposts. I forget that I’m talking to civilians. It takes more soldiers in the rear to support soldiers in the front. So the % of combat troops is the tip of the spear. The total number of troops means little, it's the number of troops that are the tip of the spear. The EU has little in combat capacity, and most of the equipment has been destroyed in Ukraine. So what are they going to fight with?
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I don't agree with that number.
EU Combat Troop Numbers
The European Union has established EU Battlegroups, which consist of battalion-sized forces reinforced with combat support elements, typically comprising 1,500 troops each.
As of 2023, eighteen battlegroups were operational, with two being ready for deployment at any given time.
Additionally, a permanent European Union Rapid Deployment Capacity (EU RDC) consisting of up to 5,000 troops (the size of a brigade) is to be operational by 2025.
These forces are under the direct control of the Council of the European Union.
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Defence forces of the European Union - Wikipedia
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EU Battlegroup - Wikipedia
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EU Battlegroups |OK, do you math at any one time 2 battlegroups are ready to go, that's 27,000 and not all combat troops. LOL
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Are you drunk?
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You sound like you'd be interested in this piece of waterfront property I happen to have for sale! It is on the moon, but that just makes the views amazing, right??
Did it ever cross your mind that if there was any truth to your statement, Russia would've easily invaded every country in Europe by now? Oh, but I suppose facts and logic are just fancy words for lies - I mean, not like your feelings would lie to you, right???
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They never have been.
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Uh no. I've done my research, now do some yourself. Learn to fish grasshopper.
You seemed to have misspelt "circle jerk".
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Why would Russia want to invade? If NATO stays out of adjoining countries they won't need to. Imagine if Russia or the Chinese put troops in Mexico or Canada, what do you think the US would do? Get a damn clue, you're extremely naive.
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The EU has some negotiations going badly on finding 100k people to keep permanently stationed in Ukraine from now on. And it's not even a failure, it's just that some people disagree... what never happens on the EU...
Way to turn a non-news into the weirdest false fact you can get.
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The EU Battlegroups are not the combined militaries of the member states. They are a specific group that works directly under the EU. The vast majority of the militaries of the EU member states are not in EU Battlegroups.
Did you not actually link of of your sources because you were concerned someone might actually read them?
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Or the east, or the north, or the south
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That's correct, and they're the active brigades available. I'm a soldier, it takes months to have troops ready for combat, at a minimum 6 months of training. Just because one has a relatively large military means squat. What counts is how many can go to war immediately.
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Maybe you should read that article you linked completely. EU battle groups are multinational rapid response forces, and merely a subset of troops the EU can muster. Germany alone has 180k active service personnel.
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Why do you equate "not in an EU Battlegroup" to "not able to go to war immediately"? Every EU member retains independent control of their militaries. They do not need to use the EU Battlegroup command structure. In fact they never have, and yet they have still regularly deployed troops.
