Bullying, berating Trump shows his worst self in Zelenskyy ambush
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I mean, the "president" is the guy from The Apprentice. 🤮
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It actually sounded like he was about to say he had actually been there, then realized he was about to lie about that to a guy who would immediately recognize and likely call him out for lying, so he then course corrected with a seriously lame response.
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Yes, the man who's first language is not English should have really been ready to tear them apart linguistically. He should have known how to speak in a manner that would prevent them from yelling over him and not listening to anything he said anyway.
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By existing in America I can't avoid supporting genocide?
Then this is an evil country that cannot be saved
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It can be saved, through voting in primaries, grassroot movements, and trying to pressure whoever is in power to do the right thing.
But all of this is only possible if you keep voting for the lesser evil. By electing people like Trump, the US population is sending the message that they like those positions, and therefore the other party will keep shifting more and more to the right to try and capture those voters. And the only way a nation can be saved under those conditions is violent revolution. Are you ready for violent revolution? Because if you’re not I’d suggest you either start a plan to migrate to a better country, or get accustomed to voting “against” people, instead of “for” people.
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lol, down voted for speculating.
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What's the real reason he wants Ukraine so badly? I don't see a reason other than using it as a springboard to attack the rest of us in Europe. Or is Ukraine his secret bae somehow?
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If Zelenskyj really had the ambition of accepting a deal here, he should've just let it slide. Diplomacy is always a good thing if it's fair and just. But we all know Vance is full of shit in this case. You have to have the right to defend your land, obviously. We know this.
But starting to question someone and putting someone in the spot on live TV that you're trying to make a deal with, and making them lose face in front of their own people in their home court, that's a deal breaker. You could tell because Vance had nothing to retort with other than say Zelenskyj was being disrespectful.
I mean, this is just facts. I don't like it more than anyone else. This was a shit situation. He needs the deal, but had to swallow a lot of shit if he were to get it, but he chose not to. Respect to him for that, but now it is what it is.
If he felt he didn't really need the deal, then he chose the right thing to do by not taking bullshit. So good on him.
I don't think people in this thread realize I'm on Zelenskyj's side in this. Everyone is just down voting every thing I post because Zelenskyj can do no wrong (
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He is a patholigical liar. He doesn't need to have any source for his stories. His lying is completely integrated into his being, just like breathing.
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Did you just call someone a homosexual to insult them? Are you 12? Is "LGBTQ" your version of calling someone a fag these days? Holy shit. I'm an old man, a horrible person, and a complete asshole but even I know how fucking
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he is a leader for a country that is actively being bombed by Russia, I would expect him to do better at bootlicking if he wants foreign aid.
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Or just use ranked voting or rated voting. Single winner doesn't imply the god awful first-past-the-post method
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lol then go move to Ukraine if you wanna suck him so badly dawg
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I know that's very natural for you to go around sucking off every man with a raised voice, but I'm not a republican, I don't do that. Thanks for the offer, you do you.
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You seem to be one of the few people I've seen online that seems to have watched the whole video and came away with this take, so I would love a civil response.
I'm certainly not on Trump/Vance's side, but when watching the whole video I can't help but think that Zelenskyy truly failed at understanding the purpose of the meeting and has condemned many more of his countrymen to death. It seemed obvious from the get go that Trump wanted this to be a public deceleration of economic entanglements and that the security discussions would come later. I get Zelenskyy's point that Russia has been impossible to deal with from a diplomatic standpoint and that he didn't want to leave Washington without a security gaurentee, but by publicly shaming Russia from the ovel office he is making diplomacy impossible. My impression is that Zelenskyy wants the war to keep going, but I truly don't understand why. His citizens are dying and they are losing territory. Russia has 10x the population and, historically, has had little reservations about sending their soldiers into the meat grinder. And let's not forget that if Russia gets backed into a corner, they still have nukes that could escalate the situation to unfathomable destruction.
From my nonexpert opinion, if I was the leader of Ukrainian I would be trying to make as many economic deals as possible with foreign nations and look to stop the war asap. I truly can't think of a better alternative than that given the current situation. So my question is, what should the US, EU, and Ukrainians be doing to stop the killing? What is the most realistic path to peace?
And just reiterate, I don't agree with the wording and attitude of Trump/Vance during that meeting, but the general sentiment of economic entanglements seems like the best option at this point. No?
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Sure, that lets people vote for who they want and still vote for someone that will actually win in a larger election, maybe pick up some more local offices.
Frankly Democrats should be big on RCV. The hard right and moderate right vote together, but the progressive is more split and a larger chunk refuses to vote strategically, at least if that is their only vote. RCV gives then the ability to vote the way they want to and still vote for a candidate with more broad acceptance.
Not sure it would have done anything in this presidential race, since there's no sign of third party vote being enough to change things in any remotely close state. It might have at least relieved the vitriol between would be allies over Democrat voters refusing to vote with the harder left versus the further left refusing to vote strategically with the Democrats.
There would remain the hopefully miniscule but very loud progressives that think either the electorate chess perfectly for their perfect candidate, or else someone like Trump should win to teach those voters a lesson, and maybe break things so hard that a path forward for their favored leaders to get in power.
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Oh okay. You must only suck tranny dick
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The idea that any deal with Russia that wouldn't include rock solid security guarantees would lead to stopping the killing, much less any sort of peace, is extremely naive. This issue is ongoing ever since Russia annexed Crimea, there have been many deals and all of them failed to stop Putin from breaking them. The issue is very simple - Trump can not (and absolutely doesn't want to, from the looks of things) convince Putin to stop the war, because Putin doesn't want the war to stop. It was shown time and time again that they aren't willing to stop their invasion, and only thing that ever thwarted their progress was military opposition. There is no reason to believe that Russia wouldn't just continue the invasion after the deal with USA is made. And Ukraine wouldn't have any benefit from this kind of deal, so why would they go through with it?
Since you watched all of it, as unbearable to watch it was, you probably also heard the comments of Trump in the interview afterwards - that he organized and prolonged this discussion to show the world that Zelensky can not be negotiated with. Whatever you might believe in, it's hard to imagine that as anything else other than admission that Trump never expected his "deal" to go through. They jumped and insulted the president of soverign country and blamed him for the war their close friend started. If your reaction to that is "he shouldn't have reacted to the provocation", then you're missing the point of why they provoked him in the first place. This way, at the very least, he made sure the world despised Trump and that all other allies of Ukraine were sympathetic. His only choice is to weather this storm until the fascist bubble in USA bursts and there is some chance for diplomacy in the future.
As for the economic entanglements, they mean nothing in times when USA is incapable of diplomacy and Russia is unwilling of adhering to any deals. Speaking of any trades where Ukraine is giving up their minerals before USA promises to push Russia outside of Ukraine borders is meaningless, and Ukraine wouldn't get anything out of that.
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Trump throats Putin, to even remotely suggest that this would end positively for Zelensky might as well prove that you're a shill or bot.
Go back to Reddit.
