Bullying, berating Trump shows his worst self in Zelenskyy ambush
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All I got going for me? Lol owning a house, a car, having a wife and kids. Everybody loves your type here. But away from the screen, you don’t matter
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That's what irritates me so much. We kinda expect politicians to give non-answers, half-truth, and doublespeak, but these people are something far worse than that, even, with straight up lies just made up on the spot.
It's a big game of chicken where everyone knows he's just made up of lies, but they're too afraid to call them out on it, but for anybody brave enough, simply pressing them with "What's your source? What the heck are you talking about?" Would embarrass them in front of billions of people (more than they already do themselves), and probably invite harsh retaliation that would further destabilize world geopolitics.
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A car!? Holy shit you really made it in life LMAO
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Name a single language that Trump speaks well.
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You're in a lemmy.world instance, brown lives are acceptable sacrifices to them.
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It doesnt matter who's right, there's a thing called decorum and controling your emotions. Trump got mad, and made a fool of himself.
Vance was only there to cause this.
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He's there because he is a willing toady and not a threat to Trump. No one would be willing to follow him.
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Owning two less than 5 year old cars is pretty impressive
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Hey thanks for the reply. I know this is an emotionally charged topic, so I appreciate the civility.
I have read a few books, but I would absolutely consider myself a novice on this topic. There is a deep history in that part of the world that I'm sure I will never fully appreciate. I think I am better understanding your point of view, but I still can't wrap my head around it completely. If you'll indulge me, let's table all of the personalities. Forget about Trump, Putin, Zelenskyy, etc. Forget about exactly what words were used during that disastrous press conference and the various followup interviews.
How do we push back at Russia without further risking nuclear holocaust? From what I understand, it sounds like Ukrainian membership into NATO has always been a pipe dream and a complete non-starter. If the USA, Europe, or others put boots on the ground, surely that would spark a dramatic increase in hostilities from Russia.
To your point, I absolutely agree that Russia has reneged on various deals in the past and should not be trusted. I would imagine the only thing that we can trust Russia to do is to act in their own best interest...and honestly, I would say this about any country/corporation/person.
I would think Russia will only walk away from this war when they are able to point at something that looks like victory. So how do they get that while also ensuring the safety and stability of Ukraine? What is the path to peace if not economic entanglements?
Maybe I am being a bit naive about how the world works, but I would hope that if a private US or European company was in a particular region of Ukraine performing mining, logistics, or construction; maybe Russia would think twice before bombing or attempting to take the region over. No?
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Art of the steal
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If supporting genocide is a prerequisite of participating in this system I'll just not participate. I'm only one person and I need to be able to live with myself at the end of the day.
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Holy shit man -
Finally a fucking accurate headline. All of this "argument between zelensky and trump" horseshit was so immediate and widespread. Trump couldn't even handle his own unjustified attack. They needed vance to to start with verbal diarrhea and buzz words so dementia donny dipshit had things to free associate with. They ganged up and bullied to try to force him to break, and he held.
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Insofar as any gerrymandered election has been "free and fair" in my lifetime, yes, I do.
(Sidebar: I'm pretty concerned about some of the proposed legislation requiring birth certificate matching for names because of the potential to disenfranchise both trans people and married women, but I hope there's enough pushback that it doesn't go anywhere.)
President Grandpa's puppeteers are only successful because they've manipulated a washed-up reality TV star with name recognition who is more concerned with ratings than with government. Without his inexplicable cachet with the electorate, they could never get their agenda pushed through, and they know it.
The man is not all-powerful. He's also old and out of shape. A lot of things could happen before the next election cycle that may end his party's political reign. There's no clear successor whom the masses of Trumpist cult members will follow. Vance? Don Jr.? I don't think either has the charisma or reputation to take the reins.
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Russia invaded Ukraine under a very weak pretense of de-nazification, and buldozed over a lot of privately owned means of production, including foreign owned. They had some reputation to lose back then, now the worst that could happen would be Trump getting pissed at them and threatening them to escalate the war, but never doing so, because he's still beholden to the capital interests, and this war has been extremely lucrative for the world's main exporter of weapons. At best(for Putin) Trump would claim that Zelensky is using private contractors as human shields and that Zelensky broke the deal because the yield of the mining operations was lower than promised, and because of that USA will help Russia deal with the terrorists that overtook the land.
As for the nuclear war - billionaires that push this war forward for their profit aren't interested in living in bunkers, they want to lie on beaches and be sucked off by sex trafficed slaves. The war will never escalate beyond the point where it would endanger their profits, and definitely not to the point where they might worry for their lifes. No major player in this conflict that's capable of employing a nuclear armaments will ever do so for those reasons, not to mention the soft power they would lose if they did - not that Trump and Putin are very concerned with soft power...
Russia doesn't mind continuing, USA doesn't mind either, it's just that Trump lied in his campaign promises that he did, and now he's making a stink about it not being possible because Zelensky is a dictator. If they can cause an election in Ukraine and do a coup once Zelensky wins, or forge some different series of events that leads to Ukraine changing it's president to one aligned with Russia, then it would be a preferable outcome for them, but it's going to be difficult without losing a lot of influence and power, and Trump is already very unpopular, so I feel it's unlikely they would try, but I wouldn't put it past them. Trump antagonized both the world and his own citizens, and the backlash is growing to a degree where he might lack means to control it. Zelensky probably saw that as his most viable way out, so he chose to argue with Trump and J. D. Vance, and hoped that the backlash will limit their further meddling. Not that he had any good option there, but out of bad ones this one at least didn't lock all Ukrainian cards in a bad deal. At this point Ukraine can try dealing with Europe, Turkey (was it Turkey? I think so) or even China, and they still have those tasty minerals that Trump helped advertise.
Europe in general has to rethink their means of defence, and if Ukraine has something valuable, a new military alliance with more hawkish stance against both Russia and USA, one that would include security assurances for Ukraine and other member states, is not out of question. If fascism in USA keep getting worse, then Europe will definitely need it. If the bubble bursts, they may include USA in this alliance in the future, though probably without as much sway as it had in NATO. Not saying that it will happen, just a wild shot in the dark, but there are more options for Ukraine now, than if Zelensky went along with the farce, and, I don't know, apologized for being a dictator and promised to be a good boy.
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Yes, you are very smart. Congratulations on having the most convoluted, psychopathic president in the world. You've clearly taught that genocide Joe a lesson.
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Do you support Ukraine joining NATO?
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America's border isn't in Eastern Europe.
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I mean, he was asking a question that had to be asked at one point or another. If Vance had an answer to that, he wouldn’t have lost face. If he didn’t, that means any kind of deal they could’ve made would’ve been useless (if not harmful) to Ukraine.
What would’ve he gained by not making that question? The chance to make a deal with no warranties? I feel like he’s a very good strategic thinker, and that wasn’t a choice dictated by pride or by the heat of the moment. There was nothing significant to gain by not asking that question, they would’ve just discussed the deal behind close doors and he’d still have to refuse because Trump’s only warranty would still be “well he still hasn’t broken promises with me, though”.
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And you think by proving that technicality you'll somehow win the argument and be correct about the rest? Give me a break.
Ok, your alliance's border, then. Or the western world's border. Or "the furthest east you can impose another fucking airstrip". Whatever you prefer. Point still stands.
