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    The issue is that the alternatives generally aren’t that much better in a vacuum. Infotainment vs Tesla infotainment (removing the CarPlay merits): It’s not even close, Tesla is like 10-15 years ahead of everything else on the US market in their price range. Car manufacturers famously lock in their tech and designs something like 3 years before public release.

    Will there be meaningful software updates for your Kia EV6 in 2028? Absolutely not, no way.

    Do you want to tow anything more than 1000Kg? Good luck outside of Tesla.

    NACS? Not one single other car available yet.

    Do you want a dashcam? Rivian is the only other brand, IIRC.

    I’m not apologizing for Tesla, but it’s really painful how awfulall other cars are compared to the competition.

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    15 years ahead on record recalls and NTSA crash test no- call-no-shows.

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      Dunno, if it'll blast marches ...

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        Dr Dorothy Bishop resigned from the Royal Society back in November 2024 because of Musk. Everybody knew. And being an FRS is a huge, huge deal to a British scientist.

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        Not as big a deal as virtue signaling to that particular British scientist, naturally, but it’s quite important to the other ones I’m sure.

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          Not necessarily Carl Benz himself, but the company has been litigated and has been proven to have had ties to the nazi regime. I’m not arguing that Mercedes was founded on Nazi values, I’m just saying there was a connection and a less than stellar history.

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          Also actual Nazis were worse than the “nazis” everyone’s worried about now.

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            Remember 2015? A Tesla parked in your driveway told your neighbours that you valued innovation, that you possessed an environmental conscience, that you had a stake in the future of the planet. The cars weren't perfect, but they meant something. They represented hope - for clean energy, EVs, and a world beyond fossil fuels.

            This was me years go. I new climate change was real and an imminent threat. I wanted to vote with my wallet for a cleaner future. I also wanted to strike a blow against the National Automotive Dealers Association for their regressive practices that hurt consumers and drive prices for cars higher for everyone. Buying a Tesla did those things. I charge the car on sunlight from my house. I was proud to be doing something rather than just talking about needs for changes against climate change.

            Musk doesn't get any of my money from this car. I don't pay for any of the Tesla monthly services. I'm don't want to be seen driving with a Tesla logo on the car. I'm ashamed that my good intentions funded a fascist.

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            Maybe it’s time to get better at researching companies before major decisions. Do you have a system in place for doing background research on future large purchases?

            That shame is no use unless it helps you update your behavior. Shame about a “one-off” decision in the past will continue to nag you until you figure out how to avoid the same mistake in the future.

            So how can you avoid realizing ten years out that some big purchase you made supported someone you disagree with? How can you do it in advance?

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              There is no shame in your ownership of the vehicle based on your intentions; I would humbly assert that anger is a more appropriate reaction to the current leadership of the company that made it. If strangers judge you, that’s on them.

              If I had had the means to purchase one 10+ years ago, I would have. Most people who claim they wouldn’t are not being honest with themselves or disapproved of the virtue signaling associated with them at the time.

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              Oh yea, when Teslas first started appearing, I loved their whole philosophy and really wanted one.

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                A more concise headline is "Nobody wants a Swastikar"

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                  Don't feel ashamed. You did nothing wrong. Life failed you, not the other way around.

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                  Many bought Tesla's years before elon went full crazy-person, yet people are still vandalising their cars, calling them Nazi-slurs and saying they should be ashamed.

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                    Knowing how badly Tesla has managed their supply chain, it's possible they paid for it in 2016.

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                    They're not paid until delivery

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                      Well joke's on them though, because it seems Musk has found a way to tap US citizens directly, so he probably doesn't even care much about Tesla anymore now that it is failing.

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                      I think his worth is mostly attached to Tesla stocks still.

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                        The issue is that the alternatives generally aren’t that much better in a vacuum. Infotainment vs Tesla infotainment (removing the CarPlay merits): It’s not even close, Tesla is like 10-15 years ahead of everything else on the US market in their price range. Car manufacturers famously lock in their tech and designs something like 3 years before public release.

                        Will there be meaningful software updates for your Kia EV6 in 2028? Absolutely not, no way.

                        Do you want to tow anything more than 1000Kg? Good luck outside of Tesla.

                        NACS? Not one single other car available yet.

                        Do you want a dashcam? Rivian is the only other brand, IIRC.

                        I’m not apologizing for Tesla, but it’s really painful how awfulall other cars are compared to the competition.

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                        Will there be meaningful software updates for your Kia EV6 in 2028? Absolutely not, no way.

                        I just got a new electric Kia and I don't give the slightest shit about updates. In fact I would prefer no updates for fear it would make the great car I have worse. And no way in hell will I ever give Dotard Musk any of my money,

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                          Also actual Nazis were worse than the “nazis” everyone’s worried about now.

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                          Dotard Musk comes from a South African Afrikaner background. Those same people literally ran a white supremist government and jailed Nelson Mandela for decades.

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                            Also actual Nazis were worse than the “nazis” everyone’s worried about now.

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                            and hopefully it stays that way.

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                              I guarantee that in a few months, mark my words, he will not be in Doge anymore, he will pivot to the Left, and SHE will come out as trans.

                              I would almost willingly put money on this.

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                                I just want to stop seeing a storm of them when I am on a road. I can’t seem to drive anywhere without seeing approximately 10 within a single hour.

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                                  I guarantee that in a few months, mark my words, he will not be in Doge anymore, he will pivot to the Left, and SHE will come out as trans.

                                  I would almost willingly put money on this.

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                                  Why would he do that? He has the closest thing to absolute power that existed since the independance of the US, without even getting elected and he would loose everything : the non-Nazis won't forget what he did, and the Nazis won't accept him.

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                                    Why would he do that? He has the closest thing to absolute power that existed since the independance of the US, without even getting elected and he would loose everything : the non-Nazis won't forget what he did, and the Nazis won't accept him.

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                                    Let me be more specific.

                                    I think he will be kicked out of DOGE because of all the controversy and Trump's own distaste for him. That between this and firing so many people who voted for Trump, Elon will become Persona Non Grata to the Right, pivot to the Left searching for some group willing to give him attention....

                                    And in doing so, he will finally come out as trans... and be mercilessly mocked by the Right over it.

                                    He will never find a group that accepts him (well her at this point), because we'll still remember all the horrible things she did.

                                    And sort of find herself in the same kind of limbo Caitlyn Jenner is in where Nazis hate her because she's trans, and Non-Nazis hate her because she's transphobic.

                                    This is how I'm convinced Elon's story will end. Just how I feel like this is going down.

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                                      The issue is that the alternatives generally aren’t that much better in a vacuum. Infotainment vs Tesla infotainment (removing the CarPlay merits): It’s not even close, Tesla is like 10-15 years ahead of everything else on the US market in their price range. Car manufacturers famously lock in their tech and designs something like 3 years before public release.

                                      Will there be meaningful software updates for your Kia EV6 in 2028? Absolutely not, no way.

                                      Do you want to tow anything more than 1000Kg? Good luck outside of Tesla.

                                      NACS? Not one single other car available yet.

                                      Do you want a dashcam? Rivian is the only other brand, IIRC.

                                      I’m not apologizing for Tesla, but it’s really painful how awfulall other cars are compared to the competition.

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                                      Tesla was ahead 10-15 years, sure. But they mostly lost that lead. Yes, their software is great, but at the same time Tesla doesn't seem to be able to do basic car features right. For instance, it doesn't have a rain sensor and relies on the front facing camera to detect rain. I can tell you from experience that it doesn't work as well as a sensor. It's even worse when it detects rain, while it is completely dry. But you cannot turn the wipers off, because then you won't be able to use cruise control anymore. Cruise control, which by the way (non FSD) is shit in comparison to the competition.

                                      The tablet might be a couple years ahead of the competition. The value they bring in bang for buck with a great feature package is also greatly competitive. But the car is behind when it comes to just normal car things. I have buttons on my steering wheel as indicators for fuck sake, a problem we already fixed when we were still prosecuting Nazis.

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                                        Let me be more specific.

                                        I think he will be kicked out of DOGE because of all the controversy and Trump's own distaste for him. That between this and firing so many people who voted for Trump, Elon will become Persona Non Grata to the Right, pivot to the Left searching for some group willing to give him attention....

                                        And in doing so, he will finally come out as trans... and be mercilessly mocked by the Right over it.

                                        He will never find a group that accepts him (well her at this point), because we'll still remember all the horrible things she did.

                                        And sort of find herself in the same kind of limbo Caitlyn Jenner is in where Nazis hate her because she's trans, and Non-Nazis hate her because she's transphobic.

                                        This is how I'm convinced Elon's story will end. Just how I feel like this is going down.

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                                        I can see what you're saying, but at this point Elon is the most powerful person in the US, and certainly more powerful than any politician (even Trump).

                                        I don't think everyone realizes how unbelievably, dangerously rich Elon is. The dude is a moron, but he has enough money to buy out all of our politicians many many times over.

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                                          Everyone forgets where the German cars, Henry Ford, etc came from politically.

                                          I was looking into my first EV, and politics just didn’t weigh that much into the decision. Now, the “infotainment as a perpetual service”, that turned me off and away from Tesla. With CarPlay my car dash will never lose service, and will always be free to use with updates from Apple/Google. I can’t imagine why people would ever pay for their infotainment when CarPlay is better or equal in all cases to the alternative.

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                                          That is insane take to me. Elon Musk is Nazi scum and the Tesla has issues, but the infotainment system is the best you can get in any car and the main reason I haven't been able to get rid of it, ignoring the fact that literally every other non Chinese EV in the same price range in my country is objectively worse specced.

                                          Having an extremely responsive map with satellite imagery that boots up instantly is already better than every other car out there, but it also has built-in dashcam and livestream functionality for all 4 cameras, which is a bitch I to install in other cars, and it's already saved me a bunch of times.

                                          Android Auto just plain sucks ass, disconnects constantly and a lot of newer models still require a wired connection.

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