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Self-Driving Tesla Crashes into Wall Painted to Look Like a Road… Just Months Before Planned Robotaxi Launch

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    Apparently they keep getting tickets in China because they didn't bother to adjust the settings to accommodate Chinese roads and traffic laws. Result is Tesla is getting utterly crushed by BYD in their one major market that doesn't care about Elon's antics.

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    Huh, now I’m mildly interested in the differences in traffic laws in China vs US vs Europe that lead to Teslas getting more tickets in China than elsewhere.

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      Mark Rober just set up one of the most interesting self-driving tests of 2025, and he did it by imitating Looney Tunes. The former NASA engineer and current YouTube mad scientist recreated the classic gag where Wile E. Coyote paints a tunnel onto a wall to fool the Road Runner.

      Only this time, the test subject wasn’t a cartoon bird… it was a self-driving Tesla Model Y.

      The result? A full-speed, 40 MPH impact straight into the wall. Watch the video and tell us what you think!

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      This is some amazing stuff! Buy $LAZR! 😁

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      • kayleadfoot@fedia.ioK [email protected]

        Mark Rober just set up one of the most interesting self-driving tests of 2025, and he did it by imitating Looney Tunes. The former NASA engineer and current YouTube mad scientist recreated the classic gag where Wile E. Coyote paints a tunnel onto a wall to fool the Road Runner.

        Only this time, the test subject wasn’t a cartoon bird… it was a self-driving Tesla Model Y.

        The result? A full-speed, 40 MPH impact straight into the wall. Watch the video and tell us what you think!

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        Some cartoon shit

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          That's true, but it's still way more understandable that a car without lidar would be fooled by it. And there is no way you would ever come into such a situation, whereas the image in the thumbnail, could actually happen. That's why it's so misleading, can people not see that?
          I absolutely hate Elon Musk and support boycott of Tesla and Starlink, but this is a bit too misleading even with that in mind.

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          So, your comment got me thinking... surely, in a big country like the US of A, this mural must actually exist already, right?

          Of course it does. It is an art piece in Columbia, S.C: https://img.atlasobscura.com/90srIbBi-XX-H9u6i_RykKIinRXlpclCHtk-QPSHixk/rt:fit/w:1200/q:80/sm:1/scp:1/ar:1/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdGxh/cy1kZXYuczMuYW1h/em9uYXdzLmNvbS91/cGxvYWRzL3BsYWNl/X2ltYWdlcy85ZTUw/M2ZkZDAxZjVhN2Rm/NmVfOTIyNjQ4NjQ0/OF80YWVhNzFkZjY0/X3ouanBn.webp

          A full article about it: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/tunnelvision

          How would Tesla FSD react to Tunnelvision, I wonder? How would Tesla FSD react to an overturned semi truck with a realistic depiction of a highway on it? JK, Tesla FSD crashes directly into overturned semis even without the image depiction issue.

          I don't think the test is misleading. It's puffed up for entertainment purposes, but in being puffed up, it draws attention to an important drawback of optical-only self-driving cars, which is otherwise a difficult and arcane topic to draw everyday people's attention to.

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            How is it misleading?

            You can't be serious? The clickbait image is not something that might actually possibly happen. The image in the video is.

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            That is a distinction without a difference.

            They are both images depicting a drivable path, on a flat surface.

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              I seem to recall that fElon prevented the self driving team from utilizing LIDAR for any part of the system, instead demanding that everything run off of optical input. Does anyone else remember the same?

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              Yes. He took too much inspiration from Stanford University’s “Stanley” winning the DARPA Grand Challenge in 2005. This was an early completion to build viable autonomous vehicles. Most of them looked like tanks covered in radar dishes but Stanford wound up taking home the gold with just an SUV with cameras on it.

              It was an impressive achievement in computer vision, and the LiDAR-encrusted vehicles wound up looking like over-complex dinosaurs. There’s a great documentary about it narrated by John Lithgow (who, throughout it, pronounces the word robot as “ro-butt”). Elon watched it, made up his mind, and like a moron, hasn’t changed it in 20 years. I’m almost Musk’s age so I know how the years speed up as we go on. He probably thinks about the Stanford win as something that happened relatively recently. Especially with his mind on - ahem - other things, he’s not keeping up with recent developments out in the real world.

              Rober just made Musk look like the absolute tool he is. And I’m a little worried that we may see people out there staging real world versions of this somehow with actual dangerous obstacles, not a cartoonish foam wall.

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                Have you never heard of a mural before?

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                I have never seen a mural on a road depicting a road that is identical to the road that I am driving on. Hope that helps.

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                  Doesn't address the point that humans would be equally deceived by this wall if they don't pay 100% attention.

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                  With this paint job, in this environment? Maybe. Though IRL you would probably see it much clearer due to the lack of parallax effect on a 2D projection.

                  But if we're talking e.g. about a dark-ish barrier at knee height, your brain does a much better job to quickly recognize it as obstacle. Whereas cameras without depth perception would fail completely.

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                    The other two tests that the Tesla failed were more realistic. Heavy fog and heavy rain.

                    It failed both.

                    If your self driving car cannot handle weather, then it's not self driving at all.

                    Actual lidar isn't fooled by weather. Shitty optical only cameras are.

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                    Agreed and that's a real world scenario that is being tested which has real value.

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                      So, your comment got me thinking... surely, in a big country like the US of A, this mural must actually exist already, right?

                      Of course it does. It is an art piece in Columbia, S.C: https://img.atlasobscura.com/90srIbBi-XX-H9u6i_RykKIinRXlpclCHtk-QPSHixk/rt:fit/w:1200/q:80/sm:1/scp:1/ar:1/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdGxh/cy1kZXYuczMuYW1h/em9uYXdzLmNvbS91/cGxvYWRzL3BsYWNl/X2ltYWdlcy85ZTUw/M2ZkZDAxZjVhN2Rm/NmVfOTIyNjQ4NjQ0/OF80YWVhNzFkZjY0/X3ouanBn.webp

                      A full article about it: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/tunnelvision

                      How would Tesla FSD react to Tunnelvision, I wonder? How would Tesla FSD react to an overturned semi truck with a realistic depiction of a highway on it? JK, Tesla FSD crashes directly into overturned semis even without the image depiction issue.

                      I don't think the test is misleading. It's puffed up for entertainment purposes, but in being puffed up, it draws attention to an important drawback of optical-only self-driving cars, which is otherwise a difficult and arcane topic to draw everyday people's attention to.

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                      Good find, I must say I'm surprised that's legal, but it's probably more obvious in reality, and it has the sun which is probably also pretty obvious to a human.
                      But it might fool the Tesla?

                      Regarding the semi video: WTF?
                      But I've said for years that Tesla cars aren't safe for roads. And that's not just the FSD, they are inherently unsafe in many really really stupid ways.
                      Blinker buttons on the steering wheel. Hidden emergency door handles, emergency breaking for no reason. Distracting screen interface. In Denmark 30% of Tesla 3 fail their first 4 year safety check.
                      There have been stats publicized that claim they aren't worse than other cars, when in fact "other cars" were an average of 10 year older. So the newer cars obviously ought to be safer because they should be in better conditions.

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                        My vacuum would pass that test... why is a Tesla worse at this?

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                        In short because Elon (wrongly) believes you only need cameras, he made the claim people also drive with just 2 eyes.

                        The thing is, we recognize a truck with stickers of a stopsign, while AI vision gets confused.

                        Waymo (Googles self driving side hussle) was build on lidar and other sensors and has been using robot taxis for many years now in geofenced specific areas.

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                        • fauxpseudo@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                          New stuff to add to the car kit bag for the 21st century

                          1. poster board to block usonic weapons
                          2. black paint, white paint, roller, brush to paint tunnels on walls
                          3. orange cones to pen in self driving cars
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                          And a "Yikes!" sign 🤣

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                            In short because Elon (wrongly) believes you only need cameras, he made the claim people also drive with just 2 eyes.

                            The thing is, we recognize a truck with stickers of a stopsign, while AI vision gets confused.

                            Waymo (Googles self driving side hussle) was build on lidar and other sensors and has been using robot taxis for many years now in geofenced specific areas.

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                            The thing is, we recognize a truck with stickers of a stopsign, while AI vision gets confused.

                            Lmao would it be illegal to put a stop sign on the back of your car?

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                              Mark Rober just set up one of the most interesting self-driving tests of 2025, and he did it by imitating Looney Tunes. The former NASA engineer and current YouTube mad scientist recreated the classic gag where Wile E. Coyote paints a tunnel onto a wall to fool the Road Runner.

                              Only this time, the test subject wasn’t a cartoon bird… it was a self-driving Tesla Model Y.

                              The result? A full-speed, 40 MPH impact straight into the wall. Watch the video and tell us what you think!

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                              Turns out having radar is rather important..

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                                Huh, now I’m mildly interested in the differences in traffic laws in China vs US vs Europe that lead to Teslas getting more tickets in China than elsewhere.

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                                I found this article. My takeaways were:

                                1. No driving in bus lanes during certain times of day.
                                2. No using the shoulder as a turn lane.
                                3. No using a bike lane as a turn lane.
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                                  Mark Rober just set up one of the most interesting self-driving tests of 2025, and he did it by imitating Looney Tunes. The former NASA engineer and current YouTube mad scientist recreated the classic gag where Wile E. Coyote paints a tunnel onto a wall to fool the Road Runner.

                                  Only this time, the test subject wasn’t a cartoon bird… it was a self-driving Tesla Model Y.

                                  The result? A full-speed, 40 MPH impact straight into the wall. Watch the video and tell us what you think!

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                                  Insurance fraud is going to bankrupt Tesla robotaxis faster than an incompetent CEO ever could.

                                  There will be too many ways to defeat the cameras and not having LiDAR unlike the rest of the industry may prove to be found to be a failure of duty of care.

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                                    The link in a comment that wasn't for me? Like I update every 10 minutes to read all the comments??
                                    Get real will you.

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                                    The link you replied to.

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                                    • magnus919@lemmy.brandyapple.comM [email protected]

                                      I remember Elon foolishly saying his cars don’t need radar or lidar. Even software-disabling radar in cars that already had the hardware.

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                                      Not even just his cars, he thinks the MILITARY, doesn't need radar and can just use cameras to spot and track stealth fighters.

                                      He's a fucking lunatic.

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                                      • kayleadfoot@fedia.ioK [email protected]

                                        Mark Rober just set up one of the most interesting self-driving tests of 2025, and he did it by imitating Looney Tunes. The former NASA engineer and current YouTube mad scientist recreated the classic gag where Wile E. Coyote paints a tunnel onto a wall to fool the Road Runner.

                                        Only this time, the test subject wasn’t a cartoon bird… it was a self-driving Tesla Model Y.

                                        The result? A full-speed, 40 MPH impact straight into the wall. Watch the video and tell us what you think!

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                                        Things that happen when you rely exclusively on optical sensors, i.e. cameras. But that's just cheaper, more money for Nazi Elon.

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                                          Stats made over decades back in 50-70's

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                                          So... out of date stats about advertising?

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