What would be your advice to undocumented immigrants to avoid I.C.E.?
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
Help them get to Canada?
If that’s not an option and they don’t already have claimant’s status, help them get somewhere off-grid.
If they’ve got claimant’s status already… the government is already keeping tabs on them and will likely hunt them down. Their best bet may be being sent to El Salvador where at least they won’t be tortured and killed (assuming that’s not where they’re from).
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
Find an attic to live in and start writing a diary
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
First would be to avoid interactions with the police - drive extra carefully, don't let your vehicle inspection/registration expire, etc. It's probably no longer safe to stand in the day labor zones. If they're working under fake credentials, it might be better to find a cash paying individual to hire them as an independent contractor. Feel out your school district - mine has said they won't be reporting anyone as undocumented. They have started referring people for excessive absences the last couple of years (that's about getting butts in seats for funding) so you probably want to avoid getting sent to truancy court.
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
Wearing an red MAGA hat
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Wearing an red MAGA hat
Might work, but not if your skin color is not light enough.
But its also problematic since sanctuary cities are the best place an undocumented immigrant could be, and having a maga hat in a sanctuary city is...
Its like you're in the middle of a WW2 battlefield trying to hide from the nazis, by wearing a nazi uniform. (What I'm trying to say is: friendly fire is an issue)
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
how can one blend in in U.S.?
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Wearing an red MAGA hat
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Might work, but not if your skin color is not light enough.
But its also problematic since sanctuary cities are the best place an undocumented immigrant could be, and having a maga hat in a sanctuary city is...
Its like you're in the middle of a WW2 battlefield trying to hide from the nazis, by wearing a nazi uniform. (What I'm trying to say is: friendly fire is an issue)
But it's always better to seem less suspicious possible
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
Inform them of their rights: https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas#item-4476
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
it's really sad that we've come to asking questions like this.
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
Leave the country. Seriously
Why are you there? The US always had been a shit hole but now I really don't see why you'd want to live there
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
Flawless opsec is a lot, but at least for now, it's not how they are finding people.
It's tips and borders at the moment. If it becomes police action as well you just have to make sure you're not noticed by the police.
We're probably not all that far off of papers please.
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Leave the country. Seriously
Why are you there? The US always had been a shit hole but now I really don't see why you'd want to live there
You're not wrong, but if the person is from Mexico, where else do they go? If they don't have many items and can afford a flight to another continent, they could try taking one to a country like Russia, then illegally cross into Europe, but that's another risk.
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Inform them of their rights: https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas#item-4476
Yea I was thinking more like Opsec stuff. I'm not sure those rights will hold up since one of the branches of government is not exactly doing their job ahem supreme court ahem
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Leave the country. Seriously
Why are you there? The US always had been a shit hole but now I really don't see why you'd want to live there
Where to?
I see a possible future.
I attempt to get political asylum in EU.
They will 99% chance reject.
Then I get deported to the US.
Then the ICE agents refuse to recognize my citizenship.
I end up in an el salvador concentration camp.
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You're not wrong, but if the person is from Mexico, where else do they go? If they don't have many items and can afford a flight to another continent, they could try taking one to a country like Russia, then illegally cross into Europe, but that's another risk.
What's wrong with Mexico? I know a Swiss with Mexican background ( mother Mexican, father Swiss ) who came back to Mexico to permanently live
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
The entire plannet is becoming uninhabitable. Globalism is taking control. Maybe you should find a small village in the mountains somewhere.
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Flawless opsec is a lot, but at least for now, it's not how they are finding people.
It's tips and borders at the moment. If it becomes police action as well you just have to make sure you're not noticed by the police.
We're probably not all that far off of papers please.
yeah, this. paying attention to good OPSEC is predicated on the idea that you pass as a "native" (which by
some crazy logicnazi logic is white hetero dude) and that slipping in that regard is your only threat vector.if you're obviously outside of that minority, any number of LE-adjacent thugs can make up any pretense to fuck with your shit. or not even bother with pretenses, as things stand right now.
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Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn't advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
Tell them to fucking move to Canada. OPSEC fails at the border under this current political climate.
intelligence sharing agreement probably gonna get cancelled unless Canada starts paying subscription fees and agrees to more open sharing of Canadian data.But it sounds like moving out of the country is not an option. If they're registered then they're on an excel spread sheet and eventually will be caught. If they're not registered then let them crash in your attic or garden shed.
If they have a phone not registered in their name then lockdown ios or harden their android.
If their phone is registered then remove/delete the sim card. Lockdown the phone and use the wifi networks which are everywhere for periodic information check ins. Login to a wifi network, use RSS reader to pull down all information updates, log off.
Frankly, long term survival basically requires having a sponsor hide you in an attic.
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Yea I was thinking more like Opsec stuff. I'm not sure those rights will hold up since one of the branches of government is not exactly doing their job ahem supreme court ahem
In that case, this seems pretty reasonable -- disclaimer: I can't personally attest to the effectiveness of this
