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Germany is now deporting pro-Palestine EU citizens. This is a chilling new step | Hanno Hauenstein

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  • R [email protected]

    If reducing weapon exports by nearly 99% (going from billions to thousands to no approvals in last 6 months is insane difference, wake up) is still bad for you, then.. ehh, you people are out for blood. You do not care about any form of sane approach to the problems, you wish to reach for extrememities and do things that would make even Natenyahu (hopefully wrote that right) proud.

    I do not feel safe here, I feel like in ISIS HQ

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    Keep on moving the goalposts.

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      Keep on moving the goalposts.

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      ???

      Okay, prove to me Germany has exported millions of weapons to Israel in 2025 so far, because I'm seriously starting to think you guys have room temperature IQ

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        There is a line between criticizing a state and arguing for its destruction/dehumanizing their people.

        And tbh for my taste that line gets crossed to often in discussions about Israel and Palestine.

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        Some States do not deserve criticism.

        Some States deserve destruction.

        The south in the US civil war: deserved to be destroyed.

        Nazi Germany: deserved to be destroyed.

        All apartheid ethno-states: deserve to be destroyed.

        You don't like that last one? Explain to me why Rhodesia should exist.

        It seems to me that people that think arguing for the destruction of apartheid ethnostates think that way because they are racist against brown people.

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          ???

          Okay, prove to me Germany has exported millions of weapons to Israel in 2025 so far, because I'm seriously starting to think you guys have room temperature IQ

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          Breath mate

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            Breath mate

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            Breathe*

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              What the actual fuck is going on with humanity?

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              People who want extreme 'order' are really good at organizing and fund raising, and breaking the law and daring the rest of us to do something about it. People who like making sure everyone has rights and those rights are protected aren't.

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              • H [email protected]

                Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.

                The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.

                But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.

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                fascism in Germany! now I've heard everything

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                  *some white people

                  Isn’t putting a whole race in one category some of what the issue is in this world? Plenty of people disapprove of the inhumane shit going on but there’s only so much that can be done by the small numbers of those in the lower class. If it’s so easy to fix all this, why are you sitting on your computer rather than being out there trying to do something about it?

                  I’ve protested and spread the word, doing everything short of picking up a gun and going after politicians (which would surely end up with me dead for naught). Tired of seeing this shit.

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                  #notallmen vibes

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                  • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                    I mean, who else would have been able to run the government

                    Holocaust survivors and refugees, for starters. Germany was fully occupied by the US and USSR, so all the big decisions were going through DC/Moscow anyway. Turning the government over to survivors and any resisters you could find would have made far more sense than simply handing the country back to the Fascists.

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                    I agree from a moral standpoint but from the perspective of efficient rebuilding I disagree.

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                      But are they self sealing?

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                      Of course!

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                        I agree from a moral standpoint but from the perspective of efficient rebuilding I disagree.

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                        Why would you want to efficiently rebuild the Third Reich?

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                          What people on this thread dont realize. It seems like what they did was quite more severe than just calling a police officer a fascist.

                          Translated:

                          An attempt was made to drag employees out of offices; the attackers were “also masked and armed with axes, saws, crowbars and clubs”. Six-figure property damage was caused

                          Source (German)

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                          What you people don't realize is that you are distorting reality to fit your narrative. How about telling the whole story instead of insinuating that they did this?

                          Show proof, until it happens your statement is worthless and dishonest.

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                          • R [email protected]

                            Can you read?

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                            Your edit is literal cancer and just made up by you.

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                              Thats true

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                              Then take your posts down and stop spreading misinfo.

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                                Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.

                                The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.

                                But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.

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                                Germany repeating the history. Twice.

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                                  What the actual fuck is going on with humanity?

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                                  Fucking seriously. Just how much of the world has always been a bunch of hateful shits who only needed a bigger asshole to kick things off?

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                                    They wouldn't need "free" water, electricity, or go to Israel for a job if they had autonomy.

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                                    Gaza has had autonomy for 20 years.

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                                    • W [email protected]

                                      Yes, following the rules everyone agreed on is lived in a rather inflexible way. If you think about it though, that’s democracy.

                                      I would say that's a veneer of paternalism on top of a foundation of democracy.

                                      The people's vote is never precise. It gives broad direction to those who govern. Politicians are trusted representatives of the people to act in their best interest, but they're not told precisely what to legislate on (unless you're Swiss and live in a direct democracy). They can inact things which are inline with the people's wishes, and they can get it wrong.

                                      If the people behave as is the legislators are always right because they were placed there through a democratic process and there is never any push back, then they've surrendered a large part of their agency. If the people just obey rules without question, their government is now their fixed term authority figures. The government knows what is right, and the people should just follow along.

                                      Talk to a Frenchman and he will be very clear that government serves the people. Not the other way around, and that sometimes you have to break the rules to remind those in government who is in charge. Bastille day is celebrated to make sure no one forgets.

                                      I think Germany has the wrong mindset on this point.

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                                      Oh I think in Germany it’s actually a huge problem that no one really feels like they are represented by anyone in the government, even the party they voted for. It’s the biggest reason the AFD is so popular: People wanted an alternative to the status quo, no matter what it is. Because they feel like "die da oben" (like "they up there") have always decided against the interests of the average guy. So actually, mistrust in the government is the cause of the AFD, not its solution.

                                      In my comment I was actually not even thinking about the politicians, just the "majority" as in more than 50% of people. Not the current majority in parliament or anything like that.

                                      Germany actually has a pretty big protest culture, at least I see them so regularly that it’s a very normal part of public life.

                                      But many people are either too content with their life to complain or even be interested in something else (you could also call it lazy and ignorant tbh), or they are so disillusioned that they don’t believe they could ever change something. It’s the same in most western countries to be fair.

                                      I absolutely agree with you about what we should do in regards to Israel, and I think most people in Germany actually also do. But what would happen on the international floor if Germany suddenly started saying we should arrest Israel’s top politician, stop supporting their "defense", and openly accuse them of genocide? It’s an honest question: Do you think we could? Without the whole world scolding us to not forget our history? I personally think Germany doesn’t even have the freedom of choice in this topic, no matter what we as a country think is right.

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                                        By the IDF's own numbers, the IDF has a worse civilian collateral damage rate than Hamas.

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                                        Hamas has zero tanks, zero airplanes, zero competence. I'm pretty sure they'd lose a war to a number of New World Cartels. That's not really a real comparison.

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                                          In Germany it is generally a crime to insult anyone.

                                          I think that itself is not bad. What makes it bad is the general tendency of German police to only follow up on that when it affects someone with power (politician, police, etc.). And of course in this case that they punished someone for it while they were not able to prove it in court.

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                                          Which is almost always the case with such laws. Never enforced unless it's simple or if it's a person of influence, solved no matter how complicated within a few days. Solved might even be a bit of a stretch here too though.

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