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Answering your Homelab Questions!

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  • internetcitizen2@lemmy.worldI This user is from outside of this forum
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    cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/32242829

    Chapters
    00:00 Intro
    01:47 Buying cheap and power hungry homelab gear
    04:53 How to configure C-States?
    07:59 Does Powertop hurt your performance?
    08:43 How to find out what prevents HDD spindown?
    10:05 Is an all-SSD NAS worth it?
    12:21 ARM-powered homelab?
    13:51 Exposing your homelab services?
    16:40 TrueNAS/Unraid vs. a regular Linux distro?
    17:59 My backup strategy
    19:32 Getting friends and family into backups
    20:05 Cheap VPS for hosting Headscale
    20:48 To UPS or not to UPS?
    21:39 My storage setup

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    • internetcitizen2@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

      cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/32242829

      Chapters
      00:00 Intro
      01:47 Buying cheap and power hungry homelab gear
      04:53 How to configure C-States?
      07:59 Does Powertop hurt your performance?
      08:43 How to find out what prevents HDD spindown?
      10:05 Is an all-SSD NAS worth it?
      12:21 ARM-powered homelab?
      13:51 Exposing your homelab services?
      16:40 TrueNAS/Unraid vs. a regular Linux distro?
      17:59 My backup strategy
      19:32 Getting friends and family into backups
      20:05 Cheap VPS for hosting Headscale
      20:48 To UPS or not to UPS?
      21:39 My storage setup

      mudman@fedia.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
      mudman@fedia.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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      This is a me thing and not related to this video specifically, but I absolutely hate that we've settled on "homelab" as a term for "I have software in some computer I expose to my home network".

      It makes sense if you are also a system administrator of an online service and you're testing stuff before you deploy it, but a home server isn't a "lab" for anything, it's the final server you're using and don't plan to do anything else with. Your kitchen isn't a "test kitchen" just because you're serving food to your family.

      Sorry, pet peeve over. The video is actually ok.

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      • mudman@fedia.ioM [email protected]

        This is a me thing and not related to this video specifically, but I absolutely hate that we've settled on "homelab" as a term for "I have software in some computer I expose to my home network".

        It makes sense if you are also a system administrator of an online service and you're testing stuff before you deploy it, but a home server isn't a "lab" for anything, it's the final server you're using and don't plan to do anything else with. Your kitchen isn't a "test kitchen" just because you're serving food to your family.

        Sorry, pet peeve over. The video is actually ok.

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        Tbh I didn't think of my stuff as a home lab, though I guess it is. I just call them my home servers. Sounds cooler and is a better phrase for describing to non-techies imo.

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        • 4k93n2@lemmy.zip4 This user is from outside of this forum
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          yea never liked the term much either.

          while we're venting, self-hosting isnt a great term either. it should just be 'hosting' and the 'self' part should be self explanatory because it would be madness to have someone else host it for you!

          remote-hosting still has some uses in some cases of course 🙂

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          • 4k93n2@lemmy.zip4 [email protected]

            yea never liked the term much either.

            while we're venting, self-hosting isnt a great term either. it should just be 'hosting' and the 'self' part should be self explanatory because it would be madness to have someone else host it for you!

            remote-hosting still has some uses in some cases of course 🙂

            mudman@fedia.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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            Yeeeeah, I have less of a problem for that, because... well yeah, people host stuff for you all the time, right? Any time you're a client the host is someone else. Self-hosting makes some sense for services where you're both the host and the client.

            Technically you're not self hosting anything for your family in that case, you're just... hosting it, but I can live with it.

            I do think this would all go down easier if we had a nice marketable name for it. I don't know, power-internetting, or "the information superdriveway". This was all easier in the 90s, I guess is what I'm accidentally saying.

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              Yeeeeah, I have less of a problem for that, because... well yeah, people host stuff for you all the time, right? Any time you're a client the host is someone else. Self-hosting makes some sense for services where you're both the host and the client.

              Technically you're not self hosting anything for your family in that case, you're just... hosting it, but I can live with it.

              I do think this would all go down easier if we had a nice marketable name for it. I don't know, power-internetting, or "the information superdriveway". This was all easier in the 90s, I guess is what I'm accidentally saying.

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              I powered up your comment. Later skater

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                Tbh I didn't think of my stuff as a home lab, though I guess it is. I just call them my home servers. Sounds cooler and is a better phrase for describing to non-techies imo.

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                Mine is an home-lab beause I'm not sure the fuck I'm doing most of the time so it's trial and error therefore a lab as in explosions may happen in there.

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                  It’s ok because it doesn’t hurt anyone.

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                  • internetcitizen2@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                    cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/32242829

                    Chapters
                    00:00 Intro
                    01:47 Buying cheap and power hungry homelab gear
                    04:53 How to configure C-States?
                    07:59 Does Powertop hurt your performance?
                    08:43 How to find out what prevents HDD spindown?
                    10:05 Is an all-SSD NAS worth it?
                    12:21 ARM-powered homelab?
                    13:51 Exposing your homelab services?
                    16:40 TrueNAS/Unraid vs. a regular Linux distro?
                    17:59 My backup strategy
                    19:32 Getting friends and family into backups
                    20:05 Cheap VPS for hosting Headscale
                    20:48 To UPS or not to UPS?
                    21:39 My storage setup

                    P This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Great video. Made me reconsider using mergerfs and snapraid instead of zfs.
                    invidious link.

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                      I feel like I'm doing something illegal by calling my home a lab. Might be thinking too much 😉 Jokes aside, I'm not really testing or inventing anything so I genuinely don't understand where the lab part comes from.

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                      • 4k93n2@lemmy.zip4 [email protected]

                        yea never liked the term much either.

                        while we're venting, self-hosting isnt a great term either. it should just be 'hosting' and the 'self' part should be self explanatory because it would be madness to have someone else host it for you!

                        remote-hosting still has some uses in some cases of course 🙂

                        hybridsarcasm@lemmy.worldH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        In the context of this community and the movement in general, ‘self-hosting’ is designed to contrast against the larger trend of “let me just trust one of the big cloud companies with all my stuff”. We’ve seen how that can go very, very wrong. So, the idea of maintaining control of your data and the methods by which it is accessed is the heart of ‘self-hosting’. It’s not meant to restrict one to only computers stored in one’s home.

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                        • irmadlad@lemmy.worldI This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Well, I'm not one to get all uppity about nomenclature. Home lab, home server, self host, what ever. I call the room all my toys are in, 'The Lab'. It has musical instruments, keyboard controllers, servers, computers, electronics, et al. So 'The Lab' seemed to fit.

                          He's so stacked that he knows,
                          when he goes back to his mobile home,
                          that's when its
                          Back to the lab again yo

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                            I say home server when I'm talking to normies.
                            When I'm talking to geeks I say forbidden router
                            https://www.level1techs.com/video/level1-presents-forbidden-router

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                              I think of it as a lab because it's my sandbox for me to do crazy server stuff at home that I'd never do on my production network at work, and I think that's why the name stuck, because back when systems were expensive as heck it was pretty much just us sysadmin guys hauling home old gear to mess with.

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                                I think of it as a lab because it's my sandbox for me to do crazy server stuff at home that I'd never do on my production network at work, and I think that's why the name stuck, because back when systems were expensive as heck it was pretty much just us sysadmin guys hauling home old gear to mess with.

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                                Yeah, that's exactly where it comes from. And it fits just fine for people like you, doing it for a living. It's just a bit obnoxious when us normies dabbling with what is now fairly approachable hobbyist home networking try to cosplay as that. I mean, come on, Brad, you're not unwinding after work with more server stuff, you just have a Plex and a Pi-hole you mess around with while avoiding having actual face time with your family.

                                And that's alright, by the way. I think part of why the nomenclature makes me snarky is that I actually think we're on the cusp of this stuff being very doable by everybody at scale. People are still running small services in dedicated Raspberry Pis and buying proprietary NASs that can do a bunch of one-button self-hosting. If you gave it a good push you could start marketing self-contained home server boxes as a mainstream product, it's just that the people doing that are more concerned with selling you a bunch of hard drives and the current batch of midcore users like me are more than happy to go on about their "homelab" and pretend they're doing a lot more work than they actually are to keep their couple of docker containers running.

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                                  Yeah, that's exactly where it comes from. And it fits just fine for people like you, doing it for a living. It's just a bit obnoxious when us normies dabbling with what is now fairly approachable hobbyist home networking try to cosplay as that. I mean, come on, Brad, you're not unwinding after work with more server stuff, you just have a Plex and a Pi-hole you mess around with while avoiding having actual face time with your family.

                                  And that's alright, by the way. I think part of why the nomenclature makes me snarky is that I actually think we're on the cusp of this stuff being very doable by everybody at scale. People are still running small services in dedicated Raspberry Pis and buying proprietary NASs that can do a bunch of one-button self-hosting. If you gave it a good push you could start marketing self-contained home server boxes as a mainstream product, it's just that the people doing that are more concerned with selling you a bunch of hard drives and the current batch of midcore users like me are more than happy to go on about their "homelab" and pretend they're doing a lot more work than they actually are to keep their couple of docker containers running.

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                                  If you gave it a good push you could start marketing self-contained home server boxes as a mainstream product,

                                  When Microsoft released Windows Home Server, I felt for sure that would ignite the flame. Yeah, it's windows, but in the right direction I thought as far as home servers go. I've always felt that every home should have a server of some type. We have so much digital data now that has replaced the filing cabinet full of birth certificates, deeds to properties, financial documents, pictures, media, etc. that not having one seems to me to be a bad idea.

                                  I think if a home server package were simple enough even a cave man could do it, and it got the average non-tech person over the hump of scary computer tech they don't know, it would become a common appliance in homes and not the exception.

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