[Discussion] What would it take to selfhost some of the backend that Tesla's connect to?
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I saw this article earlier:
Tesla 'going bankrupt' is endpoint of protests, says local organizer
In the spirit of right to repair, self-hosting, giving a second life to old devices, and limiting data collection by car companies:
- What are some considerations?
- Are there any projects worth keeping an eye on?
An example that came to mind was Valetudo, which is a cloud replacement for vacuum robots enabling local-only operation. Some robot vacuums are easy to install this on, and others require more invasive modifications.
What I've found so far:
so, from what little I know, and I'm absolutely not even remotely a car person:
car electrical systems run at really high voltage with much harder systems than you'd find inside a normal computer, because it's an extremely noisy environment that has to survive lots of fucked up shocks
and AFAIK the standards are only kinda-sorta standards. interfacing with them is very very hard. im sure this gets easier once you get TO the network, but flashing that shit and changing what it does with the network seems like a pretty tall order. maybe try swapping out something near the cellular chip itself? that's probably a pretty standardized part, right?
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I saw this article earlier:
Tesla 'going bankrupt' is endpoint of protests, says local organizer
In the spirit of right to repair, self-hosting, giving a second life to old devices, and limiting data collection by car companies:
- What are some considerations?
- Are there any projects worth keeping an eye on?
An example that came to mind was Valetudo, which is a cloud replacement for vacuum robots enabling local-only operation. Some robot vacuums are easy to install this on, and others require more invasive modifications.
What I've found so far:
I wait for the day when we install Graphene OS Automotive Edition on the car
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People fuck with two ton rolling death machines every day. What are mechanics? What are car enthusiasts? You just have accepted that you can't touch the computer because they told you you can't. That's stupid.
See above nested comment
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Have you never heard of tunes?
Any idiot can make substantial software changes to almost any modern car with easily available inexpensive hardware. Look up Cobb, ECUtek, openflashtablet, Hondata, etc
See above nested comment; tune aren't inherently a safety concern.
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I mean, what’s the alternative? It’s not like it has to have internet. Anything internet connected is mainly quality of life:
- Traffic
- Remote (app) features
- Music
Except maybe Teslas, damned if I know what they do. But they’re nice to have things that generally require realtime updates but the car functions just fine as a car without it.
Public transit/bikes are (or should be) a good alternative if you can't find normal, used, dumb cars anymore
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Public transit/bikes are (or should be) a good alternative if you can't find normal, used, dumb cars anymore
That’s a non-sequeter. You started by saying that internet on cars were bad and then switched to “you should be using bikes”
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I saw this article earlier:
Tesla 'going bankrupt' is endpoint of protests, says local organizer
In the spirit of right to repair, self-hosting, giving a second life to old devices, and limiting data collection by car companies:
- What are some considerations?
- Are there any projects worth keeping an eye on?
An example that came to mind was Valetudo, which is a cloud replacement for vacuum robots enabling local-only operation. Some robot vacuums are easy to install this on, and others require more invasive modifications.
What I've found so far:
It sucks that the stick is rising. Trumps asshats are actually investing.
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I saw this article earlier:
Tesla 'going bankrupt' is endpoint of protests, says local organizer
In the spirit of right to repair, self-hosting, giving a second life to old devices, and limiting data collection by car companies:
- What are some considerations?
- Are there any projects worth keeping an eye on?
An example that came to mind was Valetudo, which is a cloud replacement for vacuum robots enabling local-only operation. Some robot vacuums are easy to install this on, and others require more invasive modifications.
What I've found so far:
What about Comma-AI ?
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I saw this article earlier:
Tesla 'going bankrupt' is endpoint of protests, says local organizer
In the spirit of right to repair, self-hosting, giving a second life to old devices, and limiting data collection by car companies:
- What are some considerations?
- Are there any projects worth keeping an eye on?
An example that came to mind was Valetudo, which is a cloud replacement for vacuum robots enabling local-only operation. Some robot vacuums are easy to install this on, and others require more invasive modifications.
What I've found so far:
Depends what you want to do. They don't require a network connection to operate as a vehicle. So if you don't care about the remote app features (local ones such as lock/unlock still work over BLE), live traffic, streaming music or updates, then a network connection isn't necessary.
If you do want any of those features, then you would need to either get root access to the gateway and infotainment systems to modify the endpoints or take over the C&C server (formerly named "mothership") domains and certificates.
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It sucks that the stick is rising. Trumps asshats are actually investing.
You or anybody, even huge masses of people, have zero impact on the stick, zero point several hundreds of zeroes of impact. Even if all magahats invested at the exact same time. The institutions, mainly brokers, have full control of bundling all investments and settling outside of the market. What the stick does is what very wealthy hedgies decide it should.
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That’s a non-sequeter. You started by saying that internet on cars were bad and then switched to “you should be using bikes”
Both of my statements are correct. Cars shouldn't have internet and there should be less cars. In absence of offline cars, use bikes and public transportation
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Again though, they are all quality of life things. You don’t have to use it on most cars. Don’t want it, don’t pay for it and don’t use it. So just like giving people the choice of AA/CP, what’s wrong with giving them the choice of using those features?
Just cause you opt out of those features doesn't mean the car doesn't have other mandatory shit that connects to the internet to, say, sell data like the exact times and locations of when you have sex
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