Is there any counter AI bots in the fediverse
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What I am failing to understand is: why?
Is this just for some petty motivation, like "proving" that people can not easily detect the difference between text from an LLM vs text an actual person? If that is the case, can't you just spare all this work and look at all the extensive studies.
Or perhaps it is something more practical, and you've already built something that you think is useful and it would require lots of LLM bots to work?
Or is it that you fancy yourself too smart for the rest of us, and you will feel superior by having something that can show us for fools for thinking we can discern LLMs from "organic" content?
Why would be easy to understand. To implement counter AI measures, best way to counter AI is to implement it.
Btw I like the Lemmy hostility
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This... This is how fediverse works though.. You are also on an instance run basically entirely on volunteer work.
If "we quit" there is no fediverse. On top of it all moderation tools are not mature enough yet.
You'd rather have your data scraped and sold? Or pay to use a platform like this?
Lol nice apparently stopping moderation means closing instances, plus how the fediverse works is redundancy. Someone can make an instance and make it complete anarchy and people can join it
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What I am failing to understand is: why?
Is this just for some petty motivation, like "proving" that people can not easily detect the difference between text from an LLM vs text an actual person? If that is the case, can't you just spare all this work and look at all the extensive studies.
Or perhaps it is something more practical, and you've already built something that you think is useful and it would require lots of LLM bots to work?
Or is it that you fancy yourself too smart for the rest of us, and you will feel superior by having something that can show us for fools for thinking we can discern LLMs from "organic" content?
What I am failing to understand is: why?
People do things for fun sometimes. You could ask this about almost anything that people do that isn't directly and immediately related to survival. Why do people play basketball? It's just pointlessly bouncing a ball around in a room, following arbitrary rules that only serve to make the apparent goal of getting it through the hoop harder.
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It's your instance (lemmings.world) admin.
Awwwww. I have interest in botting Lemmy instances. But it will be interesting to see if ai gets better with counter AI measures.
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Lol nice apparently stopping moderation means closing instances, plus how the fediverse works is redundancy. Someone can make an instance and make it complete anarchy and people can join it
Instance administration is also quite time consuming and is also based on volunteer work.
The vast majority of content on lemmy will be inaccessible to an instance who is under complete anarchy / unmodded.
There is the fediseer project that helps instances block such instances.
If you spin up an LLM farm instance it's guaranteed to be blocked in many of the big ones - making your instance a lone island.
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What I am failing to understand is: why?
People do things for fun sometimes. You could ask this about almost anything that people do that isn't directly and immediately related to survival. Why do people play basketball? It's just pointlessly bouncing a ball around in a room, following arbitrary rules that only serve to make the apparent goal of getting it through the hoop harder.
People do things for fun sometimes.
This is not the same as playing basketball. Unleashing AI bots "just for the fun of it" ends up effectively poisoning the well.
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Instance administration is also quite time consuming and is also based on volunteer work.
The vast majority of content on lemmy will be inaccessible to an instance who is under complete anarchy / unmodded.
There is the fediseer project that helps instances block such instances.
If you spin up an LLM farm instance it's guaranteed to be blocked in many of the big ones - making your instance a lone island.
So they'll don't do LLMs because it will lead to instance that aren't connected to many other instances. Better than fediverse being gone
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Why would be easy to understand. To implement counter AI measures, best way to counter AI is to implement it.
Btw I like the Lemmy hostility
To implement counter AI measures, best way to counter AI is to implement it.
You are jumping into this conclusion with no real indication that it's actually true. The best we get for any type of arms race is a forced stalemate due to Mutually Assured Destruction. With AI/"Counter" AI, you are bringing a medicine that is worse than the disease.
Feel free to go ahead, though. The more polluted you make this environment, the more people will realize that it is not sustainable unless we started charging from everyone and/or adopt a very strict Web of Trust.
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A fun twist could be letting people post, and llms answer. Each with its specific angle.
/r/SubSimGPT2Interactive/ does this.
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People do things for fun sometimes.
This is not the same as playing basketball. Unleashing AI bots "just for the fun of it" ends up effectively poisoning the well.
No, it's not the same. I was using basketball as an analogy. Someone who doesn't enjoy basketball wouldn't "get it", just as you're not "getting" the fun that can come from building and playing around with AI bots. Different people find different things to be fun.
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cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947
Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.
I’m starting to think this account is the LLM experiment. A poor one, though. It just keeps saying the same thing and not accepting new information.
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To implement counter AI measures, best way to counter AI is to implement it.
You are jumping into this conclusion with no real indication that it's actually true. The best we get for any type of arms race is a forced stalemate due to Mutually Assured Destruction. With AI/"Counter" AI, you are bringing a medicine that is worse than the disease.
Feel free to go ahead, though. The more polluted you make this environment, the more people will realize that it is not sustainable unless we started charging from everyone and/or adopt a very strict Web of Trust.
Well the only way to know I'm write or wrong with certainty is to test myself. It's like we both don't know if I'm right. I'm going to figure it out because I'll investigate and I'll have fun investigating.
The alternative is we don't do anything about the LLM bots on the fediverse and they just integrate in. Also there's only one way to see if your MAD is correct
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No, it's not the same. I was using basketball as an analogy. Someone who doesn't enjoy basketball wouldn't "get it", just as you're not "getting" the fun that can come from building and playing around with AI bots. Different people find different things to be fun.
I completely understood your analogy, and I certainly understand the fun in tinkering with technology. What you might be missing is that it seems that OP is planning to write a bunch of bots in here and then test how well people can detect them, and that affects other people.
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Well the only way to know I'm write or wrong with certainty is to test myself. It's like we both don't know if I'm right. I'm going to figure it out because I'll investigate and I'll have fun investigating.
The alternative is we don't do anything about the LLM bots on the fediverse and they just integrate in. Also there's only one way to see if your MAD is correct
You don't do tests in an actual production environment. It is unethical and irresponsible.
Feel free to do your experiments on your servers, with people who are aware that they are being subject to some type of experiment. Anything else and I will make sure to get as many admins as possible to ban you and your bots from the federation.
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cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947
Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.
Moderation on the Feviderse is different than on commercial platforms because it's context-dependent instead of rules-dependent. That means that a user accout (bot or otherwise) that does not contribute to the spirit of a community will not be welcomed.
There is largely no incentive to run an LLM that is a constructive member of a community, bots are built to push an agenda, product, or exhibit generally disruptive behavior. Those things are unwelcome in spaces built for discussion. So mods/admins don't need to know "how to identify a bot", they need to know "how to identify unwanted behavior".
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I know and it's up to the accounts author to do that. I know when I made my bot on mastodon. And counter measure against ai should start
I really don't think this place is about bot warfare. Usually our system works well. I've met one person who used ChatGPT as a form of experiment on us, and I talked a bit to them. Most people come here to talk or share the daily news or argue politics. Wit the regular Linux question in between. It's mostly genuine. Occasionally I have to remind someone to tick the correct boxes, mostly for nsfw, because the bot owners generally behave and set this correctly, on their own.
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I’m starting to think this account is the LLM experiment. A poor one, though. It just keeps saying the same thing and not accepting new information.
There's that Lemmy hostility I like
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You don't do tests in an actual production environment. It is unethical and irresponsible.
Feel free to do your experiments on your servers, with people who are aware that they are being subject to some type of experiment. Anything else and I will make sure to get as many admins as possible to ban you and your bots from the federation.
How's it unethical?
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Moderation on the Feviderse is different than on commercial platforms because it's context-dependent instead of rules-dependent. That means that a user accout (bot or otherwise) that does not contribute to the spirit of a community will not be welcomed.
There is largely no incentive to run an LLM that is a constructive member of a community, bots are built to push an agenda, product, or exhibit generally disruptive behavior. Those things are unwelcome in spaces built for discussion. So mods/admins don't need to know "how to identify a bot", they need to know "how to identify unwanted behavior".
There is and it's propaganda. Even I knew ai has been used in propaganda for months now
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I really don't think this place is about bot warfare. Usually our system works well. I've met one person who used ChatGPT as a form of experiment on us, and I talked a bit to them. Most people come here to talk or share the daily news or argue politics. Wit the regular Linux question in between. It's mostly genuine. Occasionally I have to remind someone to tick the correct boxes, mostly for nsfw, because the bot owners generally behave and set this correctly, on their own.
Lol not the place for bot warfare
. That's like saying America isn't a place for class warfare and yet the rich already mobilized. Plus someone is probably doing the same thing as me and not disclosed it
