What is your faith/religion?
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In their mind it's not a simple difference of opinion, it's the fate of your eternal soul forever. They can't understand how someone could reject infinite happiness in heaven for pure unending suffering in hell.
And even worse than that, you are (directly or not) saying they are wrong, that they are fools for believing in fairy tales, and not just about any old subject, but about the most important thing in the universe - it's whole purpose.
That's quite a hard thing for a lot of people to accept unfortunately, and some don't take it well at all. I do feel like I was lucky that my parents didn't take it as harshly as some do.
Probably helps that I'm still cis and straight, and grew up in a left-wing area, so it's not like I'm the only atheist they knew.Right, but like that has to be tempered with the understanding that different people think different things about stuff like religion, right? Some acknowledgement that what might be self-evident truth to you is a muddy contradictory mess to others? shrug Iono, people be dumb I guess.
Yeah, my parents were pretty chill, took a kind of 'expose the kids to lots of things and let them make their own minds up' view and didn't even really comment (they asked, obviously, but they were just like 'whatever' upon hearing the explanation) when I told them I had been asked to not come back the church we had been going to. But I do get that this is a big deal for other people, so I don't mean to demean their struggles or anything.
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What makes you feel that way?
I think there are many very different ways to approach experiencing it. If my first experience was at a temple in my local area I would very much be turned awayโฆ.
Because I feel like the Buddha had some pretty good ideas. Like I get that suffering comes from desire, I can vibe with the cycle of rebirth and renewal, etc. I just.. I never got to the point where I was like 'This is the one for me.' Maybe because I didn't investigate it all that deeply back when I was investigating lots of other religions around the world, I was always pulled away by other ideas in Hinduism or Gnostic Christianity, or Sufism.
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and if you atheist/switched faiths, why did you do it and what faith did you choose?
im in a curious mood today
Atheist, universalist Unitarian. Other people's theism is just at the bottom of my priorities these days lol. UUs seem like nice people
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I think more broadly you could say I'm anti-demiurge, I guess I don't particularly hate the other gods but they're just jumped up elementals/spirits. Like, whatever, some guy demands to be worshipped in exchange for boons or to bestow curses or whatever. I think he's an asshole for lording his cool lightning powers over us, but I don't think he needs to be destroyed for it per se.
Demiurge in the Gnostic sense? Or is there some broader sense I'm not familiar with there?
So.. your position is that all gods are real according to their own cosmogony, and one of them in particular has pissed you off but the rest just don't rise to the level of being worth the effort of hating? My compliments, that's a pretty interesting position and one I've not seen before.
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The ancestors part always brings a smile to my face.
- they were young, once, hence, they had sex, masturbated, etc.
You being alive is proof enough of the later. No room for judgement there: they've been there, done that.
- the entire "cult of the ancestors" starts on the present.
If the person paying respect to past figures is concerned over such petty parts of life, that person is concerned over the wrong things.
- you will, theoretically, become an ancestor one day.
Will you be bothered over petty things or be concerned with your descendants living well and happy, like you wanted, tried and wished for others?
I do enjoy the notion of teverence towards the ancestors. It's like having a personal roster from which to choose and say "not doing what they did" or "they had worst and made it". Or a personal fan club.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous notion when you get down to it. I agree. Haha.
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Demiurge in the Gnostic sense? Or is there some broader sense I'm not familiar with there?
So.. your position is that all gods are real according to their own cosmogony, and one of them in particular has pissed you off but the rest just don't rise to the level of being worth the effort of hating? My compliments, that's a pretty interesting position and one I've not seen before.
Well, no, my position is that gods could be real but none of them are worth worshiping.
Then, additionally, if there's some kind of omnipotent and omniscient Creator then it's evil and I hate it.
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and if you atheist/switched faiths, why did you do it and what faith did you choose?
im in a curious mood today
What do you mean "if you are an atheist, why did you do it"? I just want raised with a religion.
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Well, no, my position is that gods could be real but none of them are worth worshiping.
Then, additionally, if there's some kind of omnipotent and omniscient Creator then it's evil and I hate it.
Ah, fair enough, that makes sense and I generally agree. I have my own beliefs and ideas about personified deities, but I agree, I dunno why some of these deities are even worshiped given their legacy of evil and assholery, so if they do really exist they should absolutely be opposed.
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and if you atheist/switched faiths, why did you do it and what faith did you choose?
im in a curious mood today
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and if you atheist/switched faiths, why did you do it and what faith did you choose?
im in a curious mood today
My religion is "keep your religion dar the fuck away from me".
I believe in freedom from religion even more strongly than of religion
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and if you atheist/switched faiths, why did you do it and what faith did you choose?
im in a curious mood today
I firmly believe, with all of my heart, that religion is fucking bullshit
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and if you atheist/switched faiths, why did you do it and what faith did you choose?
im in a curious mood today
Organized religion is created as a mean to control people.
But we're on a rock in space that developed sentient life.. How the fuck ?
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and if you atheist/switched faiths, why did you do it and what faith did you choose?
im in a curious mood today
Agnostic Satanist. It's basically the same as humanism but also triggers religious fundamentalists.
I also read the bible extensively and have a bible app on my phone with bookmarks to tell people how Jesus was most likely gay and so on. Most religious people didn't even read their own damn texts haha
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Because I feel like the Buddha had some pretty good ideas. Like I get that suffering comes from desire, I can vibe with the cycle of rebirth and renewal, etc. I just.. I never got to the point where I was like 'This is the one for me.' Maybe because I didn't investigate it all that deeply back when I was investigating lots of other religions around the world, I was always pulled away by other ideas in Hinduism or Gnostic Christianity, or Sufism.
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I get this a lot!
I think it has to be more than just reading but physically experiencing it. Meditation and university classes did it for me.
I was always pulled away by other ideas in Hinduism or Gnostic Christianity, or Sufism.
What about those ideas draws you?
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I justโฆ I never got to the point where I was like โThis is the one for me.โ
I get this a lot!
I think it has to be more than just reading but physically experiencing it. Meditation and university classes did it for me.
I was always pulled away by other ideas in Hinduism or Gnostic Christianity, or Sufism.
What about those ideas draws you?
Yeah, that's probably true. I fell pretty hard out of Christianity as a teenager and was extremely not interested in more organized religion. That didn't keep me from being fascinated by the ideas held within various religions, but didn't set foot inside another place of worship for at least a decade after, so all I had was books. Tried meditation and it was one of those 'this is hard so I'm gonna quit' things, unfortunately.
For Hinduism I like polytheism in general, I like the idea that divinity is not a monolith (and not a stern, judging father-figure), and I was pretty into karma and reincarnation for a while. From Gnosticism I really liked the idea that the world is a prison and that the enlightenment everyone is seeking has a practical purpose, to escape it and rejoin the divine. I hated the world and most people in it as a young man, so the idea that it was all bullshit suited me quite well. My current beliefs (which are very syncretic and come from all over the place) are rooted in a similar idea, but these days I think of the world more as an illusion than a prison. Sufism.. man, what's not to like? It's kinda weird, most of Islam doesn't do much for me, but I craved that ecstatic religious joy, that utter dedication and purity of purpose, for a long time, and I have long leaned more into the mystical aspects of religious experience and that's hard to find in organized religion in general and Abrahamic faiths in specific.
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