Funkwhale Wants to Filter Out Far-Right Music
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Generally speaking, I agree. It's just interesting to see a platform force a mechanism into itself that admins can't turn off. The only thing that really bugs me about that is that admins are kind of supposed to have the final say on what their server does, and some of the infrastructure for this idea seems a bit shaky at best.
Its open source, the admins can turn it off by reverting the patch. The person who coded it has the final say on what their software does in an open source world if you dont like it you are welcome to fork it. The fork should still be able to connect to the network and interact as it did before.
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As a fan of the odd bit of black metal, I would appreciate the 20% being dealt with
At least most nsbm sucks or have names like "ss wehrwulf division 1488".
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If only funkwhale wasn't such a royal pain in the ass.
And had a way to support artists
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It's basically an open source, federated clone of GrooveShark, which was kind of like Plex but just for music.
Huh. Well that seems pretty cool
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
They have benefitted from and encouraged 'but if you do that you're no diffrent from-' spinelessness.
Their entire gameplan has been to whine and sob and play victim while demanding 'we' march to where they are, while they take two more steps back and whine and sob more at how we're extremists.
So. Fuck 'em.
Their 'compromise' is 'we give them everything, and get nothing in return.'
Show them that they are not welcome or wanted.
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At least most nsbm sucks or have names like "ss wehrwulf division 1488".
But there is a load of really dodge black metal that is much more cryptic, not being blatant but made by Nazis like Deathspell Omega, Mgla, Drudkh and Winterfyllth. I've been in the scene a long time and been fooled by some of these.
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
Somewhat off topic but I was totally convinced that Funkwhale had died so I ditched my pod and moved to Navidrome, I wasn't using federation so I wasn't really the intended audience. I'm glad they are still going though. But personally I've had a better experience with Navidrome with Feishin as a player.
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But there is a load of really dodge black metal that is much more cryptic, not being blatant but made by Nazis like Deathspell Omega, Mgla, Drudkh and Winterfyllth. I've been in the scene a long time and been fooled by some of these.
Oh for sure, there's exceptions to the rule, I've been fooled too. Peste Noir, Drudkh, Deathspell Omega, Burzum all end up on essentials lists, definitely contributes.
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I'm a bit torn on the idea, myself. On one hand, fuck fascists, don't let 'em have an inch. But on the other hand, this does kinda take away a users' freedoms with the software.
Honestly, I think it's fine if it's a plugin or something that you can install at your own discretion or something. Or if it's baked-in, it should be an opt-in setting. I'm of the opinion that the actual software, itself, should be apolitical. It's something I can respect the Lemmy devs for, after all; even though I disagree with their politics, the actual Lemmy code is politically agnostic, and I think that's for the best.
I'm sure people are still free to take the code and make the necessary adjustments if they really need to host a Nazi-friendly instance.
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They have benefitted from and encouraged 'but if you do that you're no diffrent from-' spinelessness.
Their entire gameplan has been to whine and sob and play victim while demanding 'we' march to where they are, while they take two more steps back and whine and sob more at how we're extremists.
So. Fuck 'em.
Their 'compromise' is 'we give them everything, and get nothing in return.'
Show them that they are not welcome or wanted.
Are you taking about funkwhale or the right wingers?
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I'm sure people are still free to take the code and make the necessary adjustments if they really need to host a Nazi-friendly instance.
Which is an outcome I actually worry about, if they implemented this feature in Funkwhale. A fascist fork of the app existing and having a userbase gives it legitimacy. It immediately sells itself to those people: "Come to our free speech music platform" will bring in a lot of new users, very easily.
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Which is an outcome I actually worry about, if they implemented this feature in Funkwhale. A fascist fork of the app existing and having a userbase gives it legitimacy. It immediately sells itself to those people: "Come to our free speech music platform" will bring in a lot of new users, very easily.
I mean, that's the freedom you've been so concerned about only two posts ago. it's a similar situation with Gab and Truth.social. they both use Mastodon's code, but everyone else distances themselves from them.
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And had a way to support artists
How would you do it directly in the software?
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
Ever heard the saying, „Your freedom ends where someone else’s begins“?
Exactly. Don’t give them a platform
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
I fail to see how it's even possible for an open source project to dictate what content is acceptable. Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms' FOSS goals (for any purpose), other than being completely ineffective. I can understand the need for agency and contribution to whatever resistance can be mustered, but this is larping.
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
[from the original announcement]
If you are a liberal or if you want to have fun, have a look at "Aamer Rahman: Is it really ok to punch nazis?"
haha, nice. And this makes the Funkwhale announcement author's position clear: combating fascism is more important than defending lofty ideals, like their liberties. They treat Funkwhale as a community, not merely a tool.
Some of the points Sean brings up may be reasonable critiques, I don't know enough about music tagging to know how easy or hard MusicBrainz is to use, and there is also the question about what if a formerly RW artist reforms (many, many have deradicalized or left the movement, fun fact: this is an important source of antifascist intel). I know about a dozen artists who, as teenagers, were in edgy right-wing circles and echoed that in their works, and are now very far away from that and regretful, but if they hadn't taken up new aliases, they'd probably be lumped in with their unwelcome past works. So I do see merit in the complaint about that project lead failing to implement a way to handle special cases.
With all that said, I'm definitely in support of this move. I just hope they implement and improve it well - that will make or break it.
This reminds me of Mastodon (like Sean mentioned in the article) and Lemmy. I'm not experienced with Mastodon, but I am aware of how they reacted to Gab (formerly a Mastodon instance, before getting bullied by almost everyone), and how most of Lemmy divorced Wolfballs (run by a US-Libertarian, think 🧊
+ antivax, but soon populated by white supremacists and neo-nazis; eventually shut down, among other reasons, when the admin realized the Nazis on their instance weren't just pretending for a laugh and that many were commercial bots. Probably didn't help that their admin had a non-white partner and jewish friends) and exploding-heads.These are examples when a FOSS tool takes a community stance, rather than an idealistic liberalist freedom-above-all stance.
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
Maybe Im off base here but I'd say like 10% of music means right if center?
This idea sounds dumb. Just don't listen to kid rock or ted Nugent, or most country, and you're basically all set.
Then there's like 3 bands per genre that are dog whistlers or overtly shitty humans.
Done?
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The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they're working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
Why is the right wing here,the fediverse is a socialist communist ass concept, so against capatilism born out as an indrect response to how republicans have led america
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I fail to see how it's even possible for an open source project to dictate what content is acceptable. Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms' FOSS goals (for any purpose), other than being completely ineffective. I can understand the need for agency and contribution to whatever resistance can be mustered, but this is larping.
Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms’ FOSS goals
Perhaps, and I don't see how that's a problem. Saint IGNUcius isn't the divine dictator of FOSS. The original Funkwhale announcement's author makes it clear at the end that they don't hold freedom-as-an-end-goal (liberalism) as their ideology.
LARP
Not LA nor RP, my friend.
As you hinted, a determined admin can disable the blocklist, it probably isn't too technical to patch, but this makes a clear statement, which if you've seen any right-leaning tech forums, has a real impact on them (see their discussions on Firefox and Rust, or better yet, don't).
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Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms’ FOSS goals
Perhaps, and I don't see how that's a problem. Saint IGNUcius isn't the divine dictator of FOSS. The original Funkwhale announcement's author makes it clear at the end that they don't hold freedom-as-an-end-goal (liberalism) as their ideology.
LARP
Not LA nor RP, my friend.
As you hinted, a determined admin can disable the blocklist, it probably isn't too technical to patch, but this makes a clear statement, which if you've seen any right-leaning tech forums, has a real impact on them (see their discussions on Firefox and Rust, or better yet, don't).
It's not even liberalism, it's pragmatism. It's simultaneously giving software as a commons and trying to restrict it, an extension of culture wars that's so ineffective it gives the other side an easy win once they set up chudwhale as a scripts that forks the latest codebase but with no blocklist and a pepe mascot. Just time unspooling. I might be depressed.
