French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found
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WTF is a voluntary search?
"Attention all flight passengers. This is ICE on the speaker. If you want to be searched, please raise your hand and we will get to you shortly."
"May I have your permission to search through your phone?"
"Yes."
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All countries should advise their citizens against traveling to the USA.
It should be common sense.
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Yeah, but when you say "The Nazis literally did this with a law" it's not entirely clear if you mean the German Nazis from the 1940s or the American Nazis from the 2020s
Why does that matter? They're both Nazis.
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Why does that matter? They're both Nazis.
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It's important to distinguish the two. One was 85 years ago, the other is today... there might be other differences but can't think of any right now.
Nazis are Nazis. Ask the people in that El Salvadoran prison if the boots forcing their necks down look like 40s or 2020s Nazis. Their agony is your answer.
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Consent in a situation like this is difficult to establish, to the point of it being pointless.
Hard disagree.
Consenting to a search, or have one mandated by a judge's order, is one of the fundamental pillars of citizen rights and laws in this country.
Was it a legal or illegal search? That's not a pointless question to ask.
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because they need the deportation numbers to outdo biden. plus prison contracts. plus it's just fun I guess. it's a whole thing.
Well if you don't see a message from me after Saturday, you can assume the worst.
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I fucking wonder why... Surely it's not the outright hostility towards them by this administration
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Lesson: prepare for a trip to the US like you'd prepare for a trip to Russia or China.
Don't bring your real computing device. Being an empty device from which you can VPN to a system that actually has your data.
If you need to bring an encrypted device, consider the possibility that authorities will attempt to coerce you into unlocking it (and will cause you great disruption and indignity if you won't). If the data matters, make sure you cannot unlock your device under coercion.
(Trivial method: send your friend in the US a snailmail letter. Ask them to keep the letter until your arrival. Into the letter, steganographically embed the OTP key material to obtain the passtphrase to decrypt your device. Now to decrypt the device, three things will be needed: your cooperation, the device, and the letter. And you can deny that the letter contains anything.)
That's not US either, Canada, Australia, Great Britain, China - all can coerce you into unlocking your devices and detain you if you refuse which is fucking crazy.
Never ever give them this right even if you trust the government as they'll make a redundant copy and government data security is such a joke you'll be 100% pwnd.
Make sure your laptop is encrypted and disable face unlock on your phone. They can detain you for 24h in most places (6h in US) and will tell you to buy a return ticket. Do not take the risk even if you have nothing to hide.
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Well if you don't see a message from me after Saturday, you can assume the worst.
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France’s research minister said a French scientist was denied entry to the US this month after immigration officers at an airport searched his phone and found messages in which he had expressed criticism of the Trump administration.
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France’s research minister said a French scientist was denied entry to the US this month after immigration officers at an airport searched his phone and found messages in which he had expressed criticism of the Trump administration.
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I wonder how they search it. I doubt they manually read every fucking text message in all apps, so I guess they search for keywords or something.
So, let's say someone wanted to get someone in trouble, they could write them an email with some "incriminating" white text on white background and have them stopped by the thought police at the border.
It would be funny if they stopped some Canadian Mexican and found shittalk about Trump on his phone.
Btw. Does anyone have Ted Cruz's email address?
I have no proof, this is anecdotal, but I suspect they used a forensic analysis tool like Cellebrite, GreyKey, or Magnet Axiom to extract all the device data and search it, which makes it a cakewalk to filter for keywords, images, files, and the like. cops use this shit all the time, as do their terrorist friends all around the world.
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Personally I'd like to visit the US for their national parks, or whatever is left after this administration policies.
Eh, I think I might be turned off visiting ever again.
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Not just the US government.
The issue is border control won't believe you don't have any social media accounts and might refuse entry.
What if all my accounts are old and haven't been updated in a decade? That's kind of outrageous.
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i just downvoted because everyone else was doing it. I actually like your comment
I just upvoted because everyone else wasn't. I actually don't like your comment.
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I notice you asked for an explanation and then only sort-of read the first sentence.
No, I read the whole thing, fully. I just disagreed with your analogy, thought it was a bad one, too verbose and obfuscating of the subject being talked about. Also it didn't cover someone searching your belongings with/without your permission, the subject being talked about. Law officials have more legal leeway to detain you than they do to search your belongings without your permission, so your analogy doesn't work (especially when you throw in beatings into it).
Also, didn't think your last paragraph was legally accurate, but didn't want to bother arguing the point, since 'amendment > law > policy/rule' is a well-known given. I'm aware of the difference. When I asked my original question, it was to confirm if the border enforcement people were actually honoring the 4th amendment, or not, whatever their thought processes were.
I did appreciate you taking the time to reply (and civilly at that) though, thank you.
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Yeah but he can just say "hand over your unlocked phone or I will reject your entry" and then it's the same thing
Go to the US with a dedicated phone, just like to China.
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Would be helpful if we could see those messages so we can form an opinion.
Is there any message that actually should keep a person out? Like who gives a fuck if they say Trump should be hung because he's a traitor and Russian asset?
They should be able to say something like that or like I hope Vance is getting raped by his orange daddy and still be welcome in our country. This is America damnit.
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I just upvoted because everyone else wasn't. I actually don't like your comment.
what a rebel
