Polish conservative Nawrocki wins presidential vote, electoral commission says
-
Poland learned plenty. Record turnout, the candidate won by a very slim margin. It's brexit vote all over again - half the country is indoctrinated rednecks. A TV station had statistical data - voting for the right wing candidate was proportional with shittier education. People after universities voted 70% in favour of Trzaskowski. People who only finished grade school voted 70% in favour of Nawrocki. You can guess which group has more idiots in it.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yeah but close isnt enough, how many more years is it gonna take before polish people learn to vote liberal, pro eu candidate, not some pro putin idiot
-
The right keeps voting the right and thus making sure the candidates can get more right.
Meanwhile the left abstain, making sure the right is in power.
Gg.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]If my choice is right wing (which will empower the right wing government I don't support) or far right (which will fight the right wing government I don't support) then the choice is nonexistent
-
You will regret this sooner than you expect and still find excuses not to admit it was stupid.
If all you know about the two parties who have been ruling Poland for the past 20 years is that one of them doesn't "beat the gays" then I don't think you should be judging our individual voting strategies.
-
This is all well and good, but here's the thing: You're assuming that the left is a unified bloc of rational actors, which is just not true. A significant fraction of left-leaning activists put the lesser evil in charge and then bow out until the next election—or worse, actively run defense for said lesser evil. Remember when you couldn't criticise Biden (later Harris) for supporting genocide on Lemmy? Well I do, and I can state with 100% certainty that nothing about that was unified or rational. The left does nothing to stop centrists from handing power to the right and then act surprised when the right is in power, as most aptly shown in America's last election.
In the German election with a somewhat center left government the center lost votes, whereas the left and right won.
Die Linke certainly won a bunch of votes, but by far that election was a disaster for the left and a victory for the right. Die Linke winning 25 more seats does not counteract AfD winning 69. If this is what you consider a win then you should look at the numbers again and tell me who is going to end up in charge at this rate.
Remember when you couldn’t criticise Biden (later Harris) for supporting genocide on Lemmy?
No, the argument was that only Biden(later Harris) could win the election against Trump and that Trump would be far worse then either of them. Looking at the election results it was clearly a race between Harris and Trump, with nobody else coming close. If Harris would have gotten the votes Biden did get, then she would have won against Trump. Also Trump is worse then at least Biden and very likely Harris on basically every issue including Gaza. When Israel tried to cut off Gaza from food, Biden put a lot of pressure on them to allow food in and even used the US military to deliver food. Right now under Trump no food at all gets into Gaza, causing two million Gazans to starve.
The left does nothing to stop centrists from handing power to the right and then act surprised when the right is in power, as most aptly shown in America’s last election.
Harris lost due to a lot of left wing voters, not voting for her due to Gaza. Now the Gazans are all killed under Trump, while they can feel great about themself on their flight to El Salvador.
-
I want public healthcare — which neither candidates supports. Trzaskowskis party literally proposed to reduce the healthcare budget by 20bln like a month ago
I want marriage equality — which neither candidate supports. Trzaskowski is said to be in favour but he never said it straigh up and he vocally opposes same-sex adoption.
I want affordable housing — which neither candidate supports. Both parties similarly had their housing programmes which caused the market prices to soar and opposed public housing.
I want ecology — both candidates oppose nuclear power and Trzaskowskis party literally cut public forestry budget and increased the deforestation rate
I want the church to shut up and stop stealing public money — Trzaskowskis party, despite being called "anticlerical" gave the 20% increase of the Church Budget in 2025. Their original promise was to reduce it to 0.
I want a reasonable migration policy — both candidates' parties use migrants as scapegoats and support limiting asylum laws.
I want access to abortion — which Nawrocki opposes; Trzaskowski himself supports it, but some of his party and majority of his coalition doesn't and will never vote for it
Both candidates are shit in their own way
I can see your points. But it is still the stupidest tactic to stay away from the election. If one candidate is even 1% better than the other, vote for that one. People like you are the reason why the right-wingers always win. They go out and vote. Now the others have decided for you and you've got what you deserve.
-
Well, fuck
I wonder how long it would take Russia to take over Poland with Karol Nawrocki as president if the US pulls out of NATO and the rest of the EU and UK refuse to participate in the war. Will he capitulate the same day?
-
Anyway, my point is that I didn't want to compromise on anything or choose the lesser of two evils. It's either more GDP for health, nuclear power plants, more investment in Poland, and a rational approach to migration, or it doesn't matter who I choose.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I didn’t want to compromise on anything or choose the lesser of two evils.
We know, you poor fool. That's what you always say before you let the greater evil kill your neighbors.
-
Yeah but close isnt enough, how many more years is it gonna take before polish people learn to vote liberal, pro eu candidate, not some pro putin idiot
You seen any European elections lately?
-
Assassination on presidents tends to martyrize them
Not necessarily in Poland, but only if they are leftists.
-
I can see your points. But it is still the stupidest tactic to stay away from the election. If one candidate is even 1% better than the other, vote for that one. People like you are the reason why the right-wingers always win. They go out and vote. Now the others have decided for you and you've got what you deserve.
I got what I deserve? And what is that? Nothing will change and nothing would change if the other guy won. It's a stalemate
-
They learned in the last Sejm election, but apparently they already forgot what they learned.
In two years the government hardly delivered anything they promised. And not just because Duda was still a president vetoing everything. No surprise people are disappointed.
-
Poland’s always been pretty right-wing.
Because politicians and media keep them so. Often polls would show that public is more progressive than the lawmakers (e.g. about abortion laws), but the ruling politicians will still say how Polish people are not ready for such 'radical changes' or just how 'wrong' that is...
-
I wonder how long it would take Russia to take over Poland with Karol Nawrocki as president if the US pulls out of NATO and the rest of the EU and UK refuse to participate in the war. Will he capitulate the same day?
Akshually, unlike in the West, the conservatives in Poland despise Russia with a passion. A conservative president in Poland isn't going to undermine NATO (but for the EU, it may).
-
Akshually, unlike in the West, the conservatives in Poland despise Russia with a passion. A conservative president in Poland isn't going to undermine NATO (but for the EU, it may).
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I see your newly elected president's fear of Russia. He should know better than anyone else (since he studied history) that for centuries Poland has been betrayed by its closest allies. And now, instead of cooperating with Ukraine, he is setting the Poles against Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians against the Poles (which, of course, benefits Russia). Hoping that the US will help defend Poland if Russians attack. But these are vain hopes - because as before, so now the US and the EU will betray Poland, you have the one and only friend, and it is Ukraine. Very soon you will see for yourself. Lets be clear peace negotiations are just a screen for a full-scale invasion in Poland
-
I see your newly elected president's fear of Russia. He should know better than anyone else (since he studied history) that for centuries Poland has been betrayed by its closest allies. And now, instead of cooperating with Ukraine, he is setting the Poles against Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians against the Poles (which, of course, benefits Russia). Hoping that the US will help defend Poland if Russians attack. But these are vain hopes - because as before, so now the US and the EU will betray Poland, you have the one and only friend, and it is Ukraine. Very soon you will see for yourself. Lets be clear peace negotiations are just a screen for a full-scale invasion in Poland
Am I talking to an LLM? What does that have to do with anything?
-
How bad is this from an international perspective? Will there be Orban-style EU obstruction? Is he a Putin appeaser?
He has badmouthed Putin before so theres that at least.
-
In two years the government hardly delivered anything they promised. And not just because Duda was still a president vetoing everything. No surprise people are disappointed.
It was to be expected that the polish government would disappoint to some extent. It's a coalition of four parties that don't agree on everything, so it's to be expected that it's mostly compromises everyone can kind of live with. But wouldn't it make more sense then to vote for a president who most likely won't veto everything, so that the few progressive things the government agrees on can be enacted? If you want progressive politics you vote for progressive parties/people, even if they don't move stuff forward. At least they don't move them backwards, so in the next election you can build on a stronger foundation.
-
Well, fuck
It really, really is suspicious that those right-wing MAGA Trump Putin guys are always winning on really narrow margins. I can't recall any election where the "good guy" won like that.
-
I can't answer definitively for the other countries, but the Netherlands has a far-right party in government, but it's not the government - that's a coalition together with three right-wing parties. Certainly not what left-wing folks like to see, but the other three are keeping the far-right one in check somewhat compared to winner-takes-all systems like in the US.
Can also mention that the far-right party in Sweden is currently not in the government, they have an agreement with the government on what they should enact in order to receive their support but they hold no offices.
-
Can also mention that the far-right party in Sweden is currently not in the government, they have an agreement with the government on what they should enact in order to receive their support but they hold no offices.
I can also now add that the Dutch far-right party just stepped out of the government, so now it's just the three other parties, and presumably new elections later this year
