Seriously what's that idea?
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Ahh, I see the problem.
Blocking here is just ignoring people you don't agree with, what you're looking for is a way to punish them for not agreeing.
No, there's enough nonsense going on, too many idiots and even more bots, it's not punishment, there's no way to have a conversation with people who don't engage in any way that is productive, it's a waste of my time
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But they are leaving you alone. You can't see their comment if you blocked them. They could be screaming like a monkey with rabies and you'll never notice.
If the idea that they can still comment bothers you, then you indeed want to punish them, rather than just ignore them.
Yes, they blocked me, and I'm calling them a nanner-head for all of you to see. But they don't know they've been called a nanner-head behind their back, so they've been left alone. Now they only know they're being called a nanner-head on the internet if someone shows them a screenshot. Being called a nanner-head behind their back on the public internet is not likely to affect them in real life, so what's the harm?
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No everybody deals with anybody in a different way.
There's literally no way in a federated environment to prevent blocked accounts from interacting with your posts without making your blocked accounts list public
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But they are leaving you alone. You can't see their comment if you blocked them. They could be screaming like a monkey with rabies and you'll never notice.
If the idea that they can still comment bothers you, then you indeed want to punish them, rather than just ignore them.
But they can still mock you without you witnessing.
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*I've been blocked by Rhynoplaz, but I can still comment shit about them and they've got no way to know*
Hey, Rhynoplaz is a dogfucker and admits to it here: https://legit-site.url/bullshit.
See what I just did there? That is the problem.
There's no block system on the whole of the internet that prevents that. Even if they couldn't reply to your comments, they could reply to anyone else's, or post a top-level comment, or make their own post entirely. What do you propose? Don't let them even type your name?
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They shouldn't be able to do that!
Hypothetically I wonder if it would be possible for Lemmy to federate some kind of hashed version of your private blocklist, such that no one could decode the accounts it references, but at post-time a username could be checked against the list and blocked from replying?
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They shouldn't be able to do that!
That style of blocking makes sense for more personal social media, but I don’t think it fits a public forum like the Threadiverse. On Reddit, bad actors were able to weaponize blocking to hide from anyone who would disagree with them, anyone who would push back against misinformation. That did a lot more harm than good.
Everything you post here is public, and you should expect that anyone can see it, even people you do not like. If you don't want to see someone you don't like, that's what blocking is for, but you shouldn't expect to be able control who can see your posts when they're all public to begin with.
If something is so sensitive that you think you need to hide it from someone you don't like, then this probably isn't the platform to post it on at all.
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I think the way it works is good.
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If the blocked user browses on another account (or not logged in at all), they can’t tell that you have blocked them.
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Bot/spam accounts can’t use the blocking system to stop users who target these accounts to call them out on their disguised malicious behavior. This became a problem on Reddit when they changed their blocking system away from what we have here.
Edit: I guess there is a downside of if so many of the sane users block the same nutjobs, then there won’t be anybody to downvote or refute those nutjobs
if so many of the sane users block the same nutjobs, then there won’t be anybody to downvote or refute those nutjobs
Don't worry, a lot of us never block anybody, specifically so we can do exactly that.
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I think the way it works is good.
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If the blocked user browses on another account (or not logged in at all), they can’t tell that you have blocked them.
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Bot/spam accounts can’t use the blocking system to stop users who target these accounts to call them out on their disguised malicious behavior. This became a problem on Reddit when they changed their blocking system away from what we have here.
Edit: I guess there is a downside of if so many of the sane users block the same nutjobs, then there won’t be anybody to downvote or refute those nutjobs
I guess there is a downside of if so many of the sane users block the same nutjobs, then there won’t be anybody to downvote or refute those nutjobs
This has nothing to do with the block system. No matter how it worked, this would be the case. What you're describing isn't a block system, it's moderation, which we still have (though it's obviously up to the moderators of any given community). That is to say, blocking only affects what you see. Moderation affects what everyone sees, which is what you're talking about here.
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Two sides of the medal..
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There's no block system on the whole of the internet that prevents that. Even if they couldn't reply to your comments, they could reply to anyone else's, or post a top-level comment, or make their own post entirely. What do you propose? Don't let them even type your name?
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think what OP is wanting is "block this person from seeing/commenting on my posts" in addition to "block me from seeing this person's posts."
This is certainly possible (and exists) on many platforms, but is much more difficult on a federated platform. It becomes actually impossible if your posts are accessible to the unauthenticated public.
N.B. I'll withhold judgment on whether full-stack blocking is beneficial, but there have been cases where this style of blocking is used to amplify echo chambers (e.g. Reddit). There is no perfect system besides simply staying the fuck off social media.
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Thanks
Final conclusion, no offence:
Blocking is rather useless in the Fediverse, unless you submit to complete ignorance.Imagine a hypothetical situation where I have beef with you. I create a second account and block you. I use this account to scout your posts, then using that other account, I go to all of the posts you're commenting on, and post comments calling you out for being... I don't know, whatever nasty thing I want to call you out for. Because that account has blocked you, you can't see those posts (and presumably not the replies to them, either), and can't defend yourself.
What problem have we solved?
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But they can still mock you without you witnessing.
...and? They could do that that even without seeing your content.
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But they can still mock you without you witnessing.
That's always true. In real life, and online. You can't control what people think or say.
If you want to witness it, don't block them. It's your peace of mind, you decide how to spend it.
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So I have to unblock and permanently have to be a reporter in hope something changes?
Tbh that would triple the work for admins...
Not sure what the best course of action is, perhaps just reporting, then blocking and hoping moderators make justice.
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Would you rather make your blocklists public?
I would be in favor of public blocklists, to be honest. At least let the person know that you've blocked them, and so you will not see any of their replies.
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You get to control your own experience, not their experience.
wrote last edited by [email protected]My experience is, I see that there's a comment, I can't read it, I can't upvote or downvote it, and I couldn't report it, wonderful!
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There's literally no way in a federated environment to prevent blocked accounts from interacting with your posts without making your blocked accounts list public
wrote last edited by [email protected]What I'd really like is if comment downvotes were public.
Edit: Thanks to Optional, here are the users who downvoted this comment (also lists users who upvoted).
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*I've been blocked by Rhynoplaz, but I can still comment shit about them and they've got no way to know*
Hey, Rhynoplaz is a dogfucker and admits to it here: https://legit-site.url/bullshit.
See what I just did there? That is the problem.
If I never see it, I'll never care.
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Imagine a hypothetical situation where I have beef with you. I create a second account and block you. I use this account to scout your posts, then using that other account, I go to all of the posts you're commenting on, and post comments calling you out for being... I don't know, whatever nasty thing I want to call you out for. Because that account has blocked you, you can't see those posts (and presumably not the replies to them, either), and can't defend yourself.
What problem have we solved?
Well multi accounting is the next problem...
Just live an unpeacefull live then...
