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  • stamets@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

    Elon Musk <- For the people filtering the name

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    No on is looking at elon like that,and no one ever did

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    • stamets@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

      Elon Musk <- For the people filtering the name

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      Was more or less aware of who he was until the cave incident where all his worse tendencies came to light with enough reach to get to me.

      Then some research later, I was aware of tech bros and their ilk.

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      • M [email protected]

        No way. Thanos was actually cool.

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        He also didn't take nearly as much ketamine as musk.

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        • pugjesus@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

          I remember in the very early days not getting the full 'hype' of "MUSK IS SO SMART", but I enjoyed him as a "This is what happens when some ordinary dweeb becomes incredibly wealthy - he wants to throw money at space and technology. That's neat."

          His PR guys must've done a good job at keeping the worst of his tendencies behind closed doors - or at least further than most casual observers would look. Around the time of the 'pedo guy' incident it began to unravel for me. Curious that a social media addiction undid all the work of his PR team.

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          I think he genuinely changed as well though. Sure, some of the stuff people believe was obviously wrong in hindsight, but his unhinged tweets just weren't a thing 10 years ago.

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          • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

            When did his stupid submarine thing happen? I think that was the start of the public meltdown

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            #108

            The actual public meltdown started there, but before that there was already a history of sales bullshit with unachievable promises with things like the hyperloop and solar tiles, which for those who were paying attention were enough to mentally classify Musk as part of the "Fishy and possible scam artist" category.

            Musk hasn't really changed his swindling strategy much in the last couple of decades, he just started going beyond the script and sharing his actual opinions (which turned out to be "I'm a member of the Fascist elite" crap), possibly because the very cult of personality around him of all the fanboys made him think people loved him for him, rather than for the highly curate tech bro image (back when tech bros were seen as Heroes rather than Villains) he projected.

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              Musk was already a notoriously lying grifter 10 year ago.

              It's only naive fanboys who were too immature be able to set aside the natural human tendency to look up to famous people and/or did not had the life experience to recognize and be suspicious of salesman bollocks (whether decorated with techie terms or otherwise) when they heard it that didn't suspect the guy was something else than what the adoring fans thought.

              It's not by chance that Musk's fanboys were mainly young adult and teen techies.

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              I was never a fanboy, but 10 years ago I had hope that he and his companies would make the world a better place.

              I never looked much into him as a person, but the promise of neat electric cars and humans living on Mars made it seem like the world was on a decent trajectory.

              I was obviously naive in hindsight, but on the surface everything seemed to be fine.

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                I think he genuinely changed as well though. Sure, some of the stuff people believe was obviously wrong in hindsight, but his unhinged tweets just weren't a thing 10 years ago.

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                Yeah, he was always an idiot, but I remember reading a super interesting article about how he accidentally radicalized himself when he changed X's algorithm. He tweaked it to be far right, and radicalized himself because he's one of the most active users on the platform. FAFO.

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                  I was never a fanboy, but 10 years ago I had hope that he and his companies would make the world a better place.

                  I never looked much into him as a person, but the promise of neat electric cars and humans living on Mars made it seem like the world was on a decent trajectory.

                  I was obviously naive in hindsight, but on the surface everything seemed to be fine.

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                  Well, a decade ago I had hope too, but also already felt the guy was fishy (because he already had a history of overpromising and under-delivering and in the areas I was an expert in, I had spotted him outright lying) and so was skeptical about his promises and his companies. Also, having been involved in Tech Startups, my expectation from people in his position and his language were already negative since the Startup World back then was already dominated by scam artists with a salesmanship or Finance backgrund for whom Tech was a vehicle for self-enrichment, not by idealists who loved challenges or the actual Tech.

                  Also by that point I had already spent a good period in Investment Finance and could recognize a certain style of bollocks a mile away.

                  I wasn't aware of just how much a shit person the guy was, but all my instints told me he was a sociopath who would only ever do anything better for the World if it made him more money than not doing it.

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                  • stamets@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                    Elon Musk <- For the people filtering the name

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                    #112

                    Never fell for this BS. Fuck elmo and fuck ironman too. No platform for fascism.

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                    • pugjesus@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                      I remember in the very early days not getting the full 'hype' of "MUSK IS SO SMART", but I enjoyed him as a "This is what happens when some ordinary dweeb becomes incredibly wealthy - he wants to throw money at space and technology. That's neat."

                      His PR guys must've done a good job at keeping the worst of his tendencies behind closed doors - or at least further than most casual observers would look. Around the time of the 'pedo guy' incident it began to unravel for me. Curious that a social media addiction undid all the work of his PR team.

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                      I enjoyed him as a “This is what happens when some ordinary dweeb extremely privileged racist becomes incredibly wealthy

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                        I was never a fanboy, but 10 years ago I had hope that he and his companies would make the world a better place.

                        I never looked much into him as a person, but the promise of neat electric cars and humans living on Mars made it seem like the world was on a decent trajectory.

                        I was obviously naive in hindsight, but on the surface everything seemed to be fine.

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                        All of his companies are complete garbage. Cars are a disgusting privilege literally destroying the planet. Colonizing space is a grift that does absolutely nothing for regular people on earth. Paypal jfc... Etc.

                        Never had a chance of changing the world for a better place. Didn't even try.

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                          Hindsight is 20/20. At the time i was willing to forgive a lot to get to Mars.

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                          That's a shame because people buying into these obvious grifts is a major part of the problem.

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                            He transformed a car into space garbage for publicity in 2015.

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                            Yeah I remember watching that and thinking "what kind of absolute dummy thinks this is cool?"

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                              A lot of people only knew him as the EV and space guy until the last few years. In that light he seemed alright.

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                              He seemed alright... if you believe in grifter shit like EVs and Mars.

                              That's the grift.

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                                If you saw him as a hero at any point, you're not brighter than a MAGAt

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                                Yeah some of these comments are only more confirmation.

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                                • stamets@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                  Elon Musk <- For the people filtering the name

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                                  I always saw Musk as a dumbass who didn't know what he was doing.

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                                  • stamets@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                    Elon Musk <- For the people filtering the name

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                                    Comparing him to Tony Stark and Thanos is giving him too much credit. He's more like
                                    the scammer aliens from Futurama

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                                    • stamets@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

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                                      BLUE MAGA MODS DELETE THIS FOR RULE 2!!!

                                      LOL

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                                      • stamets@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                        Elon Musk <- For the people filtering the name

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                                        But Thanks did nothing wrong, he was the good guy in that story. Misunderstood, but he had the right idea.

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                                          I think he genuinely changed as well though. Sure, some of the stuff people believe was obviously wrong in hindsight, but his unhinged tweets just weren't a thing 10 years ago.

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                                          Here's the Blue MAGA hindsight.
                                          And this gets deleted by the mods here for 'no politics'.
                                          As if the post itself isn't.
                                          Hypocrites

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