Me too, man
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When I was able to drive to school I stopped showing up on time and just went in when I was done sleeping and getting ready at my own pace.
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The real reason is to accomodate for parents' routines. You need the kid in a place where someone can watch them for you by the time you leave for work (or not long after). Plus yeah they gotta learn to follow schedules and have responsibilities and such. Not saying I think it's a perfect system, I too hated getting off bed early in the morning.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That makes sense for small kids, but teenagers shouldn’t need an adult holding their hand to the bus stop.
I suspect the real reason some high schools start stupid-early is to make time in the afternoon to accommodate jobs or extracurricular activities. My high school started even earlier than OP’s and kids in other schools would tell me, “At least you get out earlier.” Yeah, I would get out at 1:55 and (if I didn’t have a club or band practice) I’d be so exhausted that I’d promptly go home to nap for several hours. What I would’ve given for a saner schedule.
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I was an incredibly angsty teenager, mad at the world and hostile to just about everyone by default. Apathetic, grumpy, and uninterested in physical activity or the things I liked as a preteen.
After having a baby and getting very little sleep for 6 months I recognized some of my old patterns. Turns out, it wasn't just part of being a teen, I was chronically sleep deprived. I was up at 6am most days back then, when I would sleep until 1pm on weekends. I think a lot of teens are unfairly characterized as angry and defiant when they're operating on half or a quarter of the sleep they need.
Ah yes, I remember those accusations of grumpiness. It’s the classic “MY issues are because of the circumstances around me. YOUR issues are because that’s just who you are.” The lack of empathy so many adults express is truly concerning.
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The real reason is to accomodate for parents' routines. You need the kid in a place where someone can watch them for you by the time you leave for work (or not long after). Plus yeah they gotta learn to follow schedules and have responsibilities and such. Not saying I think it's a perfect system, I too hated getting off bed early in the morning.
The problem is that this schedule is literally unhealthy for them. Like, actual health outcome in the long run bad for them. Its fucked up and "parent needs daycare" & "learning schedules and responsibilities" is a terrible justification.
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i disagree. my elementary school started later and thats the age when parents really need to be more present. and as a kid i had no issue getting up early vs as a teen. they should just flip it. teens on a bus route, or hell even witj friends with a car, are way more capable of getting themselves to school
"Should" is doing some heavy lifting here.
Sleep patterns start changing around puberty. Young kids tend to get up earlier, naturally; teenage biorhythms are tuned to stay up later, and sleep late.
But we don't have a society where it's safe to let teens run around by themselves, except for some rural communities, so schedules are based - as GP says - around parent's schedules. And because of workplace demands, whether it's a reasonable requirement because the job demands an in-person presence like the service sector, or because of idiotic, arbitrary in-office policies, that usually means parents need to have their kids in school before 8, or 8:30 if they're lucky, so they can be at their desks by the standard 9am.
Little kids, this is less of an issue, but it really fucks with teenager's biorhythms, because they're designed to be sleeping until 10 and going to sleep at midnight at that age.
There's a ton of studies about this, and there's been a lot of work by K-12 to figure out how to accommodate a balance; and some companies even have policies allowing for flex time to help, but on average - as usual - Corporate America fucks it up.
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Teens' circadian rhythm doesn't let them get tired before 10pm.
I haven't seen any research like that. Could you link it for me, please?
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for years my mom forced us to go.to bed at 8pm ( I only.rebel.when I was about 12). All my childhood. Mind you we didn't had phones so we would be there on the bed in the dark THINKING. And that's why I have anxiety.
That 22:34 on the alarm clock always made me something. Like a magic number. Now I'll be tired tomorrow.
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Nevermind that I had also been up until 1am having a complete crying breakdown because the printer wouldn't work for whatever assignments. And had only gotten home at 8pm due to extracurriculars running so late.
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If they woke up at 6am and caught the bus at 6:40, how is 40 minutes not enough time to get ready?
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for years my mom forced us to go.to bed at 8pm ( I only.rebel.when I was about 12). All my childhood. Mind you we didn't had phones so we would be there on the bed in the dark THINKING. And that's why I have anxiety.
I would stare at walls, as I literally had no entertainment, and overthink the world. I reached some very fucked up conclussions.
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In my 30s and I'm still mad about it.
Especially considering how much time at school was an absolute waste.
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I learned more math from Khan Academy. If I knew about it, I would have started Khan Academy as soon as it existed (and bitcoin mining)
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I left school around 9th grade, did "homeschool" which amounted to basically just watching documentaries and smoking weed and now I'm one of the highest earners out of everyone I originally went to school with. From being that weird poor kid who always got bullied to being quite comfortable- life is fuckin' weird.
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I left school around 9th grade, did "homeschool" which amounted to basically just watching documentaries and smoking weed and now I'm one of the highest earners out of everyone I originally went to school with. From being that weird poor kid who always got bullied to being quite comfortable- life is fuckin' weird.
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School is just to prepare you for working in a capitalistic hellhole.
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If they woke up at 6am and caught the bus at 6:40, how is 40 minutes not enough time to get ready?
Depends, I guess. If you’re healthy and have good organizational habits and are confident with someone who makes your breakfast and takes care of everything else while you eat, brush, poop, and dress before walking to the bus stop - and don’t need to be particularly coherent - 40 minutes sounds like plenty.
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My highschool used the same blueprints as the local prison, so.. yep that all tracks and they don’t even try to hide it.
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And god forbid your circadian rhythm doesn't align and you fall asleep in class.
You can get referred for a drug test because only high people fall asleep during the day.
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The way I see it, you're probably freest from the ages one to four
Around the age of five you're shipped away for your body to be stored
They promise education, but really they give you tests and scores
And they predictin' prison population by who scoring the lowestSo much of the education system is centered on child abuse and grooming children to accept abuse as adults
Many African American slaves did not know they were slaves until about age 6, because they were not given work when too young to be useful. Sounds familiar...
