Me too, man
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I understand that studies have been done and show that early start times hurt some student performance. I'm not contesting that is true for many, but it didn't seem to affect me or my friends.
We all played sports so we had 6:15 start times for morning practice or workouts. I lived about 3 miles from my high school (and even further from my middle school, which also had morning workouts), and was responsible for getting myself there. I rode my bike, or skated, with my sports equipment 4 or 5 days a week.
Class from 8 to 3:30, then afternoon practice or competitions until about 6:15. This required me to make and bring two meals to school. I was rarely home before 7:15, so that's a 13 hour day at school Mon-Fri, then homework. On weekends I played club sports and found time to socialize. Thankfully I didn't have to work during the school year until I found a internship at the end of my senior year.
I had all AP or honors classes, so academics weren't exactly easy, but I got good grades, as did my friend group.
Was it easy? No. Did I have fun and enjoy my time? Hell yeah. My days were full, we didn't have time for video games, and social media didn't exist.
I'm lucky that I had supportive parents and a stable home life. They paid the bills and made sure there was food in the fridge, but I was expected to do everything else on my own.
I'm certain that experience made me who I am today, mostly responsible, productive, and confident I can handle whatever this crazy world comes up with. Stuff doesn't always go my way, but I'm prepared mentally and emotionally to deal with it.
I remember having a similar schedule and falling asleep in virtually every after-lunch Calculus class. Just passed right out every day. Then pulled it together for my last class and extracurriculars.
Like, sure, I guess it worked out in the end. But I'd hardly call this good public policy, broadly speaking.
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What's your definition of long walk? If public transport is your only option, you have to take into consideration the fact you'll occasionally be carrying heavy/bulky stuff.
I usually take 20-80 lbs
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I understand that studies have been done and show that early start times hurt some student performance. I'm not contesting that is true for many, but it didn't seem to affect me or my friends.
We all played sports so we had 6:15 start times for morning practice or workouts. I lived about 3 miles from my high school (and even further from my middle school, which also had morning workouts), and was responsible for getting myself there. I rode my bike, or skated, with my sports equipment 4 or 5 days a week.
Class from 8 to 3:30, then afternoon practice or competitions until about 6:15. This required me to make and bring two meals to school. I was rarely home before 7:15, so that's a 13 hour day at school Mon-Fri, then homework. On weekends I played club sports and found time to socialize. Thankfully I didn't have to work during the school year until I found a internship at the end of my senior year.
I had all AP or honors classes, so academics weren't exactly easy, but I got good grades, as did my friend group.
Was it easy? No. Did I have fun and enjoy my time? Hell yeah. My days were full, we didn't have time for video games, and social media didn't exist.
I'm lucky that I had supportive parents and a stable home life. They paid the bills and made sure there was food in the fridge, but I was expected to do everything else on my own.
I'm certain that experience made me who I am today, mostly responsible, productive, and confident I can handle whatever this crazy world comes up with. Stuff doesn't always go my way, but I'm prepared mentally and emotionally to deal with it.
I remember having a similar schedule and falling asleep in virtually every after-lunch Calculus class. Just passed right out every day. Then pulled it together for my last class and extracurriculars.
Like, sure, I guess it worked out in the end. But I'd hardly call this good public policy, broadly speaking.
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I remember having a similar schedule and falling asleep in virtually every after-lunch Calculus class. Just passed right out every day. Then pulled it together for my last class and extracurriculars.
Like, sure, I guess it worked out in the end. But I'd hardly call this good public policy, broadly speaking.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Agreed, we can certainly do better. I was hopeful that hybrid classes would eventually work well, but it seems post COVID we've figured out how to mess that up too.
Connectivity, teachers funded and equipped to handle an online class component, a home environment capable of being supportive for students, parents who aren't in a situation that requires them to work 3 jobs to make rent so instead they can actively participate in their children's education.
We've got a long way to go and I'm pessimistic.
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Being the literal property of another human being is not the same as a mandatory education. Also before you ask having to listen to your parents as a kid also is not comparable to slavery.
But to answer your question the parents get in trouble for it
Of course definitely not the same in terms of violence, but in terms of our inability to have a choice. Slavery is different and "worse" but somehow it rhymes.
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Of course definitely not the same in terms of violence, but in terms of our inability to have a choice. Slavery is different and "worse" but somehow it rhymes.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm stunned by the absolute ignorance of this comment.
Please stay in school kids or somehow you'll wind up thinking slavery is comparable to school.
I don't have the energy to full educate you on the horrors of slavery. But I can assure you having to go to school, recieve a free education, and fill in a scantron every now and again is not comparable in the slightest.
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Since the whole problem lies with parents' work schedule, we should all push work time to begin at 10am instead of 8am, so kids can get to school a bit later in the morning. Everybody gets to sleep a bit more. Problem fucking solved
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Sounds like that would make it impossible to maintain a consistent sleep schedule, which is also helpful.
Just preparing everyone for shift work in the mines.
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I'm stunned by the absolute ignorance of this comment.
Please stay in school kids or somehow you'll wind up thinking slavery is comparable to school.
I don't have the energy to full educate you on the horrors of slavery. But I can assure you having to go to school, recieve a free education, and fill in a scantron every now and again is not comparable in the slightest.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Sure that part is great. The part that's not is the compulsory part that is in hours conducive only to corporations' benefit and not children. Also the religious garbage spewed in many states. The inequal funding, the terrible teacher's pay and conditions. High school sports as an industry. Lack of any flexibility for children's needs. Long hours at too young and age. It's not bad overall but there are very, very shitty parts of it in dire need of improvement. I'm sure we agree overall anyways.
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Since the whole problem lies with parents' work schedule, we should all push work time to begin at 10am instead of 8am, so kids can get to school a bit later in the morning. Everybody gets to sleep a bit more. Problem fucking solved
But then I would have to work until 8pm. That sounds horrible.
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and those parents should be fought by cps
It's not the parent's fault the media has made them terrified of everything that they can't let their kids just go around the neighborhood while they're at work.
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I don’t understand how going to bed early is a problem.
My high school started at 0800hrs. I had to be up by 0630hrs to catch the bus at 0715hrs, and it was a 15-minute walk to get to it. I went to bed some time between 2130hrs and 2230hrs almost every night like clockwork.
Did I get 10hrs of sleep? No. But the ≈8hrs I did get was enough to ensure I was awake and coherent in the morning.
If kids are tired in the morning, what’s stopping them from going to bed earlier? I was never forced to do so. I just did, because I was getting tired shortly after 2100hrs. I listened to my body.
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I don’t understand how going to bed early is a problem.
My high school started at 0800hrs. I had to be up by 0630hrs to catch the bus at 0715hrs, and it was a 15-minute walk to get to it. I went to bed some time between 2130hrs and 2230hrs almost every night like clockwork.
Did I get 10hrs of sleep? No. But the ≈8hrs I did get was enough to ensure I was awake and coherent in the morning.
If kids are tired in the morning, what’s stopping them from going to bed earlier? I was never forced to do so. I just did, because I was getting tired shortly after 2100hrs. I listened to my body.
There's tired, and then there's sleepy. For me, if I'm not sleepy, there's about a 5% chance I will be able to fall asleep upon going to bed. I remember plenty of nights in high school going to bed "early" around 10pm, and sure enough I'm still awake at 2am. So first off there's ability to sleep when needed.
Second, the modern perspective contains a lot of blue light in daily lives that prevents melatonin secretion. Few kids have the self control and presence of mind to properly regulate their screen time at night, even if just from TV, not to mention phones.
Realistically just with the second point, the cards are stacked against them.
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It's not the parent's fault the media has made them terrified of everything that they can't let their kids just go around the neighborhood while they're at work.
yes, but if they're afraid of that they shouldn't be having their other kids watch over their younger ones
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Could've gone to bed earlier.
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yes, but if they're afraid of that they shouldn't be having their other kids watch over their younger ones
What's the alternative?
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it was chosen to match parents work schedule
I can't find a good source, but from what I've seen its actually student work schedules that dictate school start times.
Elementary and Middle Schools tend to start much later in the day (in part to conserve buses). But local Chambers of Commerce and Rotary Club groups will often lobby for earlier high school start times so that students are out of school in time for a 5pm work shift.
In some countries the school start at 6.30 AM so that parents can take their children to school before they start work at 8 AM.
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https://doi.org/10.1038/s41582-025-01106-6
Abstract: "Aspects of modern society, such as artificial lighting and rigid schedules, create ‘social jetlag’ — a mismatch between biological chronotypes and societal demands. This circadian misalignment particularly affects evening chronotypes, leading to sleep deprivation, mental health issues and physical disorders. Flexible schedules and environmental modifications could restore natural sleep patterns and improve well-being."
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Could've gone to bed earlier.
Pouting intensifies
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But then I would have to work until 8pm. That sounds horrible.
wrote last edited by [email protected]7pm if you take an hour lunch, 6pm if you don't take a lunch.
I've worked a 10-7 shift before. Some people hated it, but I actually loved it. I got to stay up every night to a reasonable 12-1, okay videogames with friends, slept until a nice morning, woke up and drove to work. It was by far the best work shift time I've ever had. It also helped that I lived 3 minutes away, so I would literally wake up at like 9, sss, then drive to work. Saved so much gas at that job hahaha. I'd fill up my Corolla like once a month as long as I didn't visit friends too much. And I was in an apartment with underground parking, so the uv damage to my car was like nothing.
The only downside is you don't get to do errands during the week. Which.... If you plan very very well isn't an issue, but more often than not was an issue.
