What is the general global opinion people have on Qatar and Pakistan?
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PS. If you have any question about either, happy to answer>
Could you please say a few words about the situation for young people (say 15-25) in Pakistan? What are their dreams and aspirations? Main differences between socioeconomic groups of youth? Main conflicts and disagreements with older generations? View of the world?
I fully realise that this is a huge and complex question and that it will be very difficult to generalise. Any response on these kinds of questions would be much appreciated though!
Well education is terrible here. For the lower classes, people in villages etc, the hope is to be able to work for themselves primarily. If they study to a highschool level (and that education is TERRIBLE), literally just factually incorrect stuff is being taught but anyways, those people may look for some government job later.
The best chance for success is moving to a city and going to a university, normally too expensive for people. For the few who do it can help the family somewhat.
The military also has a hold in people, many wanna join the military.
The cities house the middle-class, most hope to leave Pakistan for a better future. Noone expects a good life in Pakistan.
The young v old issue may be political, imran khan the former pm had a largely young fanbase while other political figures have older fan bases. Other than that, there isn't much of a cultural shift bw generations. In the upper middle class circles, theres a good bit of westernisation which is the other divide. But that is like 5% of the population at most.
Overall, the youth has no hope for this nation. Dont expect to have a safe future here. Leaving Pakistan to work as a guard or driver etc and living in terrible living quarters is better for people than staying here in many cases.
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my super-ignorant American take:
Pakistan, really really hates India. I hope it can be healed but I don't know enough to dare saying how. Poor but admirable aspirations at space exploration. Zealous about parenting and proud of their culture. Probably more similar to my own background than a lot of people would feel comfortable admitting.
Qatar, rich from oil deals with America. Corrupt but it's our fault for lavishing them while we raped the rest of the middle east for plunder. Intolerant but could probably be won over to be less outwardly hateful of new ideas since they've tasted wealth and desire to join the international community. The things that their religion makes them hate tend to be things that most other Abrahamic religions also hate, which could be grounds for friendship? I don't think it works like that but it's fun to joke.
Americans are pretty racist but these two nationalities get less hate than others. Or would if American's bothered to learn the difference. Most of us can't point to Qatar on a map. I hope this was amusing to read.
India really, really hates Pakistan. They keep attacking it.
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I know this is random. I live in these two countries moving bw them so I wondered.
Mostly I know what people think of each, but I did wonder if there was a difference in opinion here in a more leftist space.
Qatar as the labour exploiting oil nation?
Pakistan the third world country culturally like India with Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists etc?
PS. If you have any question about either, happy to answer.
Qatar: used slaves to do all the work, Muslim extremist to the core, no culture to speak of.
Pakistan: diverse, not as Muslim extremist as people think, interesting culture. -
my super-ignorant American take:
Pakistan, really really hates India. I hope it can be healed but I don't know enough to dare saying how. Poor but admirable aspirations at space exploration. Zealous about parenting and proud of their culture. Probably more similar to my own background than a lot of people would feel comfortable admitting.
Qatar, rich from oil deals with America. Corrupt but it's our fault for lavishing them while we raped the rest of the middle east for plunder. Intolerant but could probably be won over to be less outwardly hateful of new ideas since they've tasted wealth and desire to join the international community. The things that their religion makes them hate tend to be things that most other Abrahamic religions also hate, which could be grounds for friendship? I don't think it works like that but it's fun to joke.
Americans are pretty racist but these two nationalities get less hate than others. Or would if American's bothered to learn the difference. Most of us can't point to Qatar on a map. I hope this was amusing to read.
Yeah Pakistan defines itself in large part by its hate for India. Dont see any improvements either in the next decade or two anyways.
Don't really care about space exploration honestly.Yes family is everything here. Not always in a good way.
Qatar you're mostly right about too. Don't think people from other abrahamic religions would agree with the intensity of the average Muslim. Most Christian societies at this point are not as intense in my eys anyways. But I do think a lot of morality is shared bw them.
Good to read. Thanks
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Qatar: used slaves to do all the work, Muslim extremist to the core, no culture to speak of.
Pakistan: diverse, not as Muslim extremist as people think, interesting culture.wrote on last edited by [email protected]Qatar, yep.
Pakistan, oh I'd say pretty extremist. Interesting is certainly one word to use for the culture.
Pakistan honestly hates itself out of hate for India. And I mean doesn't care about history pre 1947 since that would be India back then. Also desperate to paint Pakistan as an Arab nation. Despite next to no connection or knowledge of the Arab world, or the language.
Culturally very similar to India but desperately trying not to.
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You could say there is no central figure as modi is in India. Imran Khan was the closest but Pakistani politics is fractured.
Plus the actual political power lies with the military here. So they chose who they want as president. They wanted Khan and they bought him in, he became a threat and they kicked him out.
Right now khan would dominate the public vote but where is he? In prison.
The people here are very culty and rage plus hate fueled. Its less visible bc it's not that big online.
Infact we keep banning social media sites since literally every government is a religious fascist anyways. Twitter was big here and they banned it. YouTube was banned years ago.
The people in power are genuinely a combination of vile and stupid. The media .... just as bad
I agree India is a problem. The culture is rotten to the core. Modi is one of the most disgusting modern figures and yet flies under the radar
wth
who's making those pakistani youtube videos of factories then? -
I know this is random. I live in these two countries moving bw them so I wondered.
Mostly I know what people think of each, but I did wonder if there was a difference in opinion here in a more leftist space.
Qatar as the labour exploiting oil nation?
Pakistan the third world country culturally like India with Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists etc?
PS. If you have any question about either, happy to answer.
Qatar: no opinion, I barely even heard that name
Pakistan: all the people I've interacted with online were arrogant. They never understood a single thing and tops on personal attacks. Never had any civil conversation till now. Knew a girl from there from facebook, she suddenly disappered too -
I know this is random. I live in these two countries moving bw them so I wondered.
Mostly I know what people think of each, but I did wonder if there was a difference in opinion here in a more leftist space.
Qatar as the labour exploiting oil nation?
Pakistan the third world country culturally like India with Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists etc?
PS. If you have any question about either, happy to answer.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Qatar: rich, oil wealth, decent news reporting but also the gulf states use of practically (if not actual) slave labour and massive inequality, linked to racism. Mostly an unknown to me.
Pakistan: massive sexism and religious intolerance issues, expounded on with the beef with India and allied with the PRC.
Could be a mixing pot of people and ideas, but various ethnic groups feel exploited and get involved in armed resistance, meanwhile -Ahminis(edit: Ahmadi, my bad) and women have a habit of getting murdered and mob justice seems to support that... Which is sad. Instability in the government that transcends the love of cricket.
Would like to know more, met a few people from there and they've generally been decent folk, but also were glad to have moved to Europe... -
wth
who's making those pakistani youtube videos of factories then?Even the PRC pays people to produce content to upload to YouTube for international optics, and I'm sure it's easier to get a VPN in Pakistan regardless.
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I know this is random. I live in these two countries moving bw them so I wondered.
Mostly I know what people think of each, but I did wonder if there was a difference in opinion here in a more leftist space.
Qatar as the labour exploiting oil nation?
Pakistan the third world country culturally like India with Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists etc?
PS. If you have any question about either, happy to answer.
Question you might know the answer to as you live in Pakistan (at least sometimes):
Has their been an update on the Asma Batool and the other campaigner's blasphemy case?
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Well education is terrible here. For the lower classes, people in villages etc, the hope is to be able to work for themselves primarily. If they study to a highschool level (and that education is TERRIBLE), literally just factually incorrect stuff is being taught but anyways, those people may look for some government job later.
The best chance for success is moving to a city and going to a university, normally too expensive for people. For the few who do it can help the family somewhat.
The military also has a hold in people, many wanna join the military.
The cities house the middle-class, most hope to leave Pakistan for a better future. Noone expects a good life in Pakistan.
The young v old issue may be political, imran khan the former pm had a largely young fanbase while other political figures have older fan bases. Other than that, there isn't much of a cultural shift bw generations. In the upper middle class circles, theres a good bit of westernisation which is the other divide. But that is like 5% of the population at most.
Overall, the youth has no hope for this nation. Dont expect to have a safe future here. Leaving Pakistan to work as a guard or driver etc and living in terrible living quarters is better for people than staying here in many cases.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write a long and informative answer. It was very interesting to learn about the situation. I really hope it will improve. Best of luck to you and your country/community!
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Qatar: rich, oil wealth, decent news reporting but also the gulf states use of practically (if not actual) slave labour and massive inequality, linked to racism. Mostly an unknown to me.
Pakistan: massive sexism and religious intolerance issues, expounded on with the beef with India and allied with the PRC.
Could be a mixing pot of people and ideas, but various ethnic groups feel exploited and get involved in armed resistance, meanwhile -Ahminis(edit: Ahmadi, my bad) and women have a habit of getting murdered and mob justice seems to support that... Which is sad. Instability in the government that transcends the love of cricket.
Would like to know more, met a few people from there and they've generally been decent folk, but also were glad to have moved to Europe...Yeah both of these are generally right. The hate Pakistan has for women is unprecedented.
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Qatar: no opinion, I barely even heard that name
Pakistan: all the people I've interacted with online were arrogant. They never understood a single thing and tops on personal attacks. Never had any civil conversation till now. Knew a girl from there from facebook, she suddenly disappered tooThe social media presence of Pakistani folk is odd. Facebook ofcourse has the worst of the worst. But even reddit people were equally terrible, albeit younger cunts.
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Question you might know the answer to as you live in Pakistan (at least sometimes):
Has their been an update on the Asma Batool and the other campaigner's blasphemy case?
Last I remember she was imprisoned
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Yeah both of these are generally right. The hate Pakistan has for women is unprecedented.
Thank you for the thread.
To have a brighter section: what are your favourite or most appreciated thing about the two states?
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Thank you for the thread.
To have a brighter section: what are your favourite or most appreciated thing about the two states?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Well I lobe Pakistan the land. It truly feels like home. Wherever I go I feel like this is MINE.
Also just an incredible place geographically, from the worlds highest peaks and plains (deosai and k2) to the worlds largest salt mines (above land) called Kheora, discovered by Alexander the great. Deserts and snow and snowing deserts. Bays and harbours, the sea and one of the biggest rivers.
And incredible wildlife with very special flora and fauna. Literally every kind of geography you could imagine we got.
The indus also was home to the oldest civilisation known, the indus valley. The mughal history I love too, then came the British (sigh).
The government here is certain, its not like the state is weak. But they dont have as far reaching control as a lot of developed countries do. So villages and smaller cities are free from the government in many ways.
Agriculturally incredible, very fertile soil with the Indus bringing nutrient dense soil from the Himalayas.
So many incredible and old languages still exist too. Languages not spoken outside a single village for example.
For Qatar, its a place with a lot of good people. Some of the best people I've met in my life, very multicultural as well. I've lived in a building where every apartment had a family with a different nationality.
Ignoring the few locals who generally target the working class. The public here is very kindly organised. I like the respectful conservative way people exist in public here.
I like the fact that you can come here and just settle in with so many different nationalities or find a subgroup of your own people.
I do love some incredible architecture here too. Some great museums etc have been built. There is a sense of luxury to it all. I like how small the country is (although its grown I'm recent years) you can get to either end in like 40 mins.
In both nations I love the food, in Qatar you can discover a lot of non Arab food too with how multicultural it is.
Also Qatar has without a shadow of a doubt the best KFC/ fried chicken in the world and I'm not even exaggerating.
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India really, really hates Pakistan. They keep attacking it.
that too
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Well I lobe Pakistan the land. It truly feels like home. Wherever I go I feel like this is MINE.
Also just an incredible place geographically, from the worlds highest peaks and plains (deosai and k2) to the worlds largest salt mines (above land) called Kheora, discovered by Alexander the great. Deserts and snow and snowing deserts. Bays and harbours, the sea and one of the biggest rivers.
And incredible wildlife with very special flora and fauna. Literally every kind of geography you could imagine we got.
The indus also was home to the oldest civilisation known, the indus valley. The mughal history I love too, then came the British (sigh).
The government here is certain, its not like the state is weak. But they dont have as far reaching control as a lot of developed countries do. So villages and smaller cities are free from the government in many ways.
Agriculturally incredible, very fertile soil with the Indus bringing nutrient dense soil from the Himalayas.
So many incredible and old languages still exist too. Languages not spoken outside a single village for example.
For Qatar, its a place with a lot of good people. Some of the best people I've met in my life, very multicultural as well. I've lived in a building where every apartment had a family with a different nationality.
Ignoring the few locals who generally target the working class. The public here is very kindly organised. I like the respectful conservative way people exist in public here.
I like the fact that you can come here and just settle in with so many different nationalities or find a subgroup of your own people.
I do love some incredible architecture here too. Some great museums etc have been built. There is a sense of luxury to it all. I like how small the country is (although its grown I'm recent years) you can get to either end in like 40 mins.
In both nations I love the food, in Qatar you can discover a lot of non Arab food too with how multicultural it is.
Also Qatar has without a shadow of a doubt the best KFC/ fried chicken in the world and I'm not even exaggerating.
Those are wonderful things to read, I've learnt a lot and have more to appreciate and have some good positive things about them both now, too.
Thank you.
