Hundreds of Gazans march in rare anti-Hamas protest
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Doesn't help that the IDF knew the attack was coming. They let their civilians get killed and captured so they had an excuse.
Worse, the IDF was under orders to expand the Hannibal Protocol to civilians the whole time, too.
Hannibal Protocol is the order to kill Israelis rather than allow them to become hostages.
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Is this what Israel leaving looks like? wow...
Hub, I wonder what happened that made them come back?
Try 'murdering and kidnapping hundreds of Israeli citizens' for a start. -
Hub, I wonder what happened that made them come back?
Try 'murdering and kidnapping hundreds of Israeli citizens' for a start.Nothing feeds extreme islam like blowing people's loved ones into pieces in front of their eyes and destroying their livelihoods. So they sure know how to make this perpetuate.
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I mean, sure, it's an ethnic conflict with a bunch of bad blood on both sides. That's a bit of a whataboutism, though, since this was about whether most Israelis want peace.
If you directly asked Palestinians and Israelis if they want peace, the vast majority would answer either yes. The conditions of what’s considered a viable peace is different.
The two state solution was favored among Israelis during the peace process up to the second intifada. Afterwards an increasing number of Israelis rejected two states as unrealistic because they didn’t see a willing partner on the Palestinian side. Put it another way, many Israelis don’t believe a Palestinian state would actually bring peace. The withdrawal from Gaza and the continued attacks on Israel from Gaza over the last decades is seen as an example of that.
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First, that's irrelevant because it's Israel holding all the power in their Apartheid and genocide project. Second, no I won't. You compare and make your own point.
https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/991
But when asked about support or opposition to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state in the territories occupied in 1967, i.e. defining the borders of the state and without linking it to the two-state solution, support rises to 59% (60% in the West Bank and 59% in the Gaza Strip), while 37% do not support the establishment of such a state.
Support for a two-state solution is usually linked to public assessment of the feasibility of such a solution and the chances for a Palestinian state. Today, 57% (compared to 65% three months ago) believe that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to settlement expansion, but 39% (compared to 34% three months ago) believe it remains practical. Moreover, 69% believe that the chances for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent and 30% believe the chances are medium or high.
When asked about the public's support or opposition to specific political measures to break the deadlock, 57% supported joining more international organizations, 45% supported resorting to unarmed popular resistance, 51% supported a return to confrontations and armed intifada, 49% supported the dissolution of the Palestinian Authority, and 22% supported abandoning the two-state solution and demanding one state for Palestinians and Israelis. Three months ago, 63% supported a return to confrontations and an armed intifada, 49% supported unarmed popular resistance, 62% supported the dissolution of the PA, and 22% supported abandoning the two-state solution in favor of a one-state solution.
We asked about the public support for three possible solutions to the conflict: the two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, the solution of a confederation between the two states of Palestine and Israel, and a one-state solution in which the Jews and Palestinians live with equality, 51% (49% in the West Bank and 54% in the Gaza Strip) prefer the two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, while 19% (14% in the West Bank and 27% in the Gaza Strip) prefer a confederation between two states. 10% (11% in the West Bank and 9% in the Gaza Strip) prefer the establishment of a single state with equality between the two sides. 21% said they did not know or did not want to answer.
As you can clearly see, the answer percentage depends a lot on what question is asked specifically.
Two state solution also depends a lot on the details. The biggest issue is the so called right of return, which would permit millions of descendants of Palestinian refugees to immigrate into Israel proper. That’s of course unacceptable to Israel.
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If such demands are met and Hamas is removed from Gaza make no mistake, the Gazan people will be the next thing they remove from Gaza.
100%. The West Bank is proof. They are being slaughtered and ethnically cleansed from there with no recourse. You need guns to defend yourselves against genociders, WW2 proved that. Hamas, and similar groups, are the only ones willing to carry guns and actually defend their people.
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Just a reminder that Israel already left willingly in the past.
Uh what... Why do you think Israel is able to block aid to Gaza, and stop their power, trash, food, water intake, and ability to travel?
It's because they never left. They've always been occupiers who have controlled their territory.
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If you directly asked Palestinians and Israelis if they want peace, the vast majority would answer either yes. The conditions of what’s considered a viable peace is different.
The two state solution was favored among Israelis during the peace process up to the second intifada. Afterwards an increasing number of Israelis rejected two states as unrealistic because they didn’t see a willing partner on the Palestinian side. Put it another way, many Israelis don’t believe a Palestinian state would actually bring peace. The withdrawal from Gaza and the continued attacks on Israel from Gaza over the last decades is seen as an example of that.
Sure, nobody likes living in a warzone. The version of peace that's been popularised in Israel implicitly involves ethnic cleansing, though, so I'm not sure that's worthy of any of the brownie points you're after.
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100%. The West Bank is proof. They are being slaughtered and ethnically cleansed from there with no recourse. You need guns to defend yourselves against genociders, WW2 proved that. Hamas, and similar groups, are the only ones willing to carry guns and actually defend their people.
I have personally seen the west bank settlements and how Palestinians are treated in the west bank, its a population that have submitted and now the boot is on their throat.
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Hammas and Netanyahu need each other to survive. Give them both the boot.
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