Have empathy instead

It might be surprising, but it's not a limited resource that needs to be spend sparcely. You do not need to make the world worse for those in an other tribe in order to make it better for your own tribe. That false dichotomy - which you and him probably share - is the root of a lot of evil in this world.

Whatever. He was fucking gloating ever since the MAGAts took over, while others are being violently oppressed for "not qualifying" to be "American".

You are describing parochial empathy, with the caveat that somehow you think it’s different when you do it.

No parochial empathy is when an in-group only has empathy for the in-group and none for any out-groups.

The resolution to the paradox of tolerance does not require individuals in a group to only experience empathy for other individuals in their group.

Instead members of groups that adhere to the social contract or peace treaty of tolerance all feel empathy for each other.

Only when an individual, individuals, or a group of people break the social contract or peace treaty are they no longer protected by it. Every individual in the groups still being tolerant still feel empathy for each other across group lines.

This is so the groups that practice tolerance can defend themselves from a group that has chosen to be intolerant. Such as the Nazis killing minority groups in WWII.

"Unalived"

Right?

It's not surprising at all to see the people who spent an entire year advocating for genocide also having empathy for a dead nazi.

Literally me. Been banned there way too many times, and for a lot worse things than what I've said here in the past 10 hours.

I'm done with that fucking site. They love censorship.

I made a comment asking where this was when two Democrats were executed in their homes, Trump said it'd be a waste of time to show empathy, etc.

Now they're calling timeout because they're the target.

or a group of people break the social contract

That's what most here are doing. Should everyone in this group who celebrates breaking of the social contract be fair game for reprisal? You see the issue with this parochial approach to empathy?

If you shoot politicians and billionaires instead of kids they might finally care about gun violence in the US.

Yeah, murder is horrific. I don't enjoy the fact that he was murdered; I feel joy at the fact that he can no longer spread his toxic filth anymore.

You see the issue with this parochial approach to empathy?

Tolerant people in groups whether that is by race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or gender are still feeling empathy for tolerant people outside their groups. So people practicing tolerance as a peace treaty are still practicing empathy not parochial empathy.

Do you see the problem with using a straw man to argue? Refuting your argument is trivial.

That’s what most here are doing.

Considering this acts in accordance with self-preservation this is a rational and useful decision to have made.

Should everyone in this group who celebrates breaking of the social contract be fair game for reprisal?

Charlie Kirk and the other fascists he was a mouth piece for have already broken the social contract with their fascist takeover of the United States. This fascists administration goal is to around up minority groups into death camps and a pollute the planet as much as possible with coal powered 'freedom cities'. The fascist chose to break the peace treaty and so they are no longer protected by it.

The intolerant group has already decided those being tolerant are fair game before this. The fascists already wanted to kill people. We knew this before the election. They were completely open with what they wanted to do. Now tolerant people have to work together with people outside their groups to defend themselves against intolerant fascists. This is a clear cut example of real empathy.

Like that wouldn't happen without this. This belief that "if we don't give them an excuse, they won't make things worse" really needs to die. Fascists will do evil things, regardless of what anybody does.

are still feeling empathy for tolerant people outside their groups

Apparently they are not, as exemplified by celebration of violence here, and the dislike for those arguing against violence. They feel empathy for the intolerant only, and dislike the emphatic.

The fascist chose to break the peace treaty and so they are no longer protected by it.

Neither are the people celebrating here, according to this logic. See the issue?

Now tolerant people have to work together with people outside their groups

Exactly, they should! What they're doing instead is using violence on people outside their in-group - the self-proclaimed tolerant are the intolerant just of a different tribe.

They're them, we're we, we're better is what you're describing and is parochial empathy.

So when does he start exterminating the Jews?

Edit: he literally cant be a nazi. He's a sionist.

Exactly, they should! What they’re doing instead is using violence on people outside their in-group.

The fascists are trying to kill people. In response your argument proposes what is best described as a kind of Stockholm syndrome. But instead of a empathy for captors your argument would have victims have empathy for their murderers. Like some kind of extreme form of rape culture. It's disgusting in my opinion.

Neither are the people celebrating here, according to this logic. See the issue?

Those tolerant people are feeling empathy for each other regardless of their group. They are even expressing empathy for Charlie Kirk's children. So they are following the social contract where as the fascists are not.

Apparently they are not, as exemplified by celebration of violence here.

Those who break the peace treaty are not protected by it. The fascists broke the peace treaty so the fascists are not protected by it.

They feel empathy for the intolerant

The users in this thread are still tolerant of each other, regardless of group. So the empathy they feel towards each other is for tolerant people of different groups.

, and dislike the emphatic.

Fascists want to kill out groups. Fascists are practicing parochial empathy if even that. Your argument seems to have no grasp of what empathy is or how to practice it in a healthy or useful way so it is not compelling. edit: typo

I saw it unintentionally and it was horrifying. It's always horrifying to see such a thing, no matter who it is.

Like winning WWII increased violence against non-nazis?

This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.

There was also that one guy who shot himself in an underground bunker in Berlin. Gun violence and suicide are never OK but sometimes they are.

Man, I haven't thought about Heaven 17 in decades. My favorite lyric of theirs was "brothers, sisters, we don't need that fascist groove thing". I remember liking them in the '80s but thinking that their political stance was pretty over the top and that things weren't really that bad in the world. How wrong I was.

Fun fact: the band took their name from a fictional group that was referenced in A Clockwork Orange.

U2 - Bullet the Blue Sky

You plant a demon seed
You raise a flower of fire