Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
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They want pity and/or retribution for him for him, then there's a list he needs to get on.
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Can we not take pleasure in knowing vile, evil people have perished and can no longer spread their destructive ideals that will lead to pain and suffering of others?
In doing so, you're spreading vile evil ideals that lead to pain and suffering of others.
The message that it's fair game to murder and hurt people, as long as you view them as "other".
The test is empathy, man.
Exactly!
Charlie actively advocated against that
Pot, meet kettle
Imagine a scene where 2 new people come to your house for a party made up of people from many backgrounds, one is kind and the other is hateful and verbally abuses and bullies the one who is kind for something they have no choice over such that they leave your house. Then seeing this one of the other party members kicks the bully out of the house for them being massively rude. Now being massively rude and dehumanizing to others is an active choice one makes, that’s not a outgroup that one is in through any choice but their own. The party itself is still widely diverse accepting all who preserve the welcoming spirit of the party.
You’re arguing that the rest of the party should feel bad for the asshole that was kicked out.
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The number of trans shooters versus non-trans shooters probably has trans shooters falling comfortably into a margin of error. I can't do the math, though, I'm no numbersmith.
Sure. Even if the raw numbers said that say, trans people are 1% of the population, and 1.5% of shooters, that would still be a meaningless figure. The sample size is too low to make any meaningful conclusion.
But the point is even if you don't apply statistics, even using the sample we have, trans people are vastly under-represented among shooters. We represent about 1% of the population and 0.1% of shooters. You don't even need to apply statistics. The numbers on their face show that there is zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
Now, statistically, I would say that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that the rate of trans shooters is any different from the overall population, higher or lower. But there is less than zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
The trans shooter myth is simply blood libel.
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“Gang violence” = racist dog whistle. The assassin couldn’t have picked a more perfect time to fire.
I mean, most gang activity comes from young black men, but that does not mean it's racist to talk about it. I think talking about whether to include or exclude "gang violence" from a conversation about mass shootings is appropriate and not offensive in the slightest.
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I remember every single time someone they didn't like died. They would rejoice in the most vile manner imaginable. Fuck them.
I am betting that Kirk's killer was a fellow conservative who found him too soft and not hard right enough.
Or... maybe it was the same guy who killed Brian Thompson... because Luigi is innocent.
Imagine they end up framing luigi for this too
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How do you unfuck this mess?
Not have Trump as president right now is a small first step.
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Advocating for genocide in Gaza isn't even a different opinion. It's the same opinion as democratic party leadership.
This person is correct.
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Honestly I wonder how much they're going to steer that narrative, even if it was a conservative.
I just read somewhere that... well maybe this was an inside job? The reason being is that since Trump's creepy as fuck birthday letter became public, he needed something big to distract and shut down discussion so he had Kirk shot?
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Your last sentence is what I've been worried about as well. We all know Trump is a blathering idiot, but he's chomping at the bit to use military powers on US soil, and so far has been with no real reason. He could very easily use this as an excuse to further deploy troops and/or push more of his fascist agenda.
He doesn't need an excuse though. He's going to do it no matter what happens. There is absolutely no hope he won't, just because you don't make a fuzz about it. It's not like he's just now thinking: "well now they've done it! They've gotten violent! I gotta make concentration camps, and use military personel and weapons to quell their protests, and maybe even attack the whole democratic process!". He's already doing it.
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Guess how Nazis were defeated in WW2...
Was it by peacefully protesting, and asking them to please, oh please! stop? 'Cause if it was, the american people are right on track to winning this one!
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You could also be happy in Kim Jong Un dies... maybe Putin?
I always wonder where the cut off is, how evil does someone have to be for society to accept their death with gladness?
Putin is definitely on that list.
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I don’t know what “sionisom” is but to answer your question. Nazi, is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.
Except the word nazi denotes and is defined by the hate of Jews.
You might say that sionists and nazis are similar, but they are categorically different. Or it would be slightly self-destructive as a Jewish state to want to exterminate all Jews, dont you think?
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PBS is a respectable news source that I trust. Some internet rando is not.
Edit: I don't care if any of you self righteous fake intellectuals hate PBS. But I do take satisfaction in seeing that there were replies from people I blocked in the past. I don't have to waste my time reading takes designed to hurt my feelings and spread awful ideas.
Sounds like a personal failing to me.
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How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
At the end of the day he is a human being, that's why. I'm not trying to defend the guy, but fundamentally that's what is supposed to divide the progressives/liberals vs the conservatives. The conservatives don't care except when it's their own while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.
wrote last edited by [email protected]He was a human being who tried every day to be and say as inhumane shit as possible. Fuck anyone so willing to betray humanity.
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Comical to me how many people in soooooo many posts about this just HAVE to go out of their way to note they aren't celebrating or some blah blah about any human dying.
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"Everybody in the thread just did what Kirk asked them to..." And you dont see the problem there?
As for the world being a better place... I highly doubt it, since hes now going to be a rallying cry for action against "the left". Hes a martyr now, a symbol that right wing lunatics while cling to as they march down the streets demanding Trans people are butchered, immigrants, legal and otherwise, are shot in the streets. "We need you, Trump, to do a third term. Its a civil war out here, dont you know?" will be next.
Shooting people is never, ever, your first resort in silencing a voice. Facts and words are. Violence only ever causes more violence. Someone out there today, he never hurt anyone, is going to pay the price for what happened to Kirk. You know its true. You all do. Yet youre all still all over social media happy, and cheering, and back slapping.
In the famous of words of John Wick... "Consequences."
They were going to make up an excuse anyways. At least this way, they actually take a loss for it. If you do not understand why this was a good thing, you're far too innocent to understand the shitty world kirk and his ilk are trying to create.
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Yes. I cannot willingly be gleeful of another's death. Physically can't.
A cashier told me in glee when he had been shot. I thought that moment was so representative of where we are now.
Hateful cunts finally getting consequence On one hand, but gleeful at another humans death. Odd feeling.
Systems are broken. Rise in political violence. Tale as old as time..
Are you new to the human race? Glee at other's deaths is in our DNA.
Systems aren't broken so much as the last few decades, say from the 1980s to about the mid 2000s, were the unusual thing. Now is normal again compared to the long-term behavior of our unsavory little ape-based species.
We're garbage, the sooner you make peace with that, the easier it gets.
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God works in mysterious ways.
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Imagine a scene where 2 new people come to your house for a party made up of people from many backgrounds, one is kind and the other is hateful and verbally abuses and bullies the one who is kind for something they have no choice over such that they leave your house. Then seeing this one of the other party members kicks the bully out of the house for them being massively rude. Now being massively rude and dehumanizing to others is an active choice one makes, that’s not a outgroup that one is in through any choice but their own. The party itself is still widely diverse accepting all who preserve the welcoming spirit of the party.
You’re arguing that the rest of the party should feel bad for the asshole that was kicked out.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Now being massively rude and dehumanizing to others is an active choice one makes, that’s not a outgroup that one is in through any choice but their own.
Unfortunately, this perspective misses a crucial truth. Most abusers have a history of being abused themselves (1). They are trapped in a relentless cycle of anger, rejection, and pain, struggling to escape a reality where kindness feels foreign and unrecognizable. Breaking this cycle is profoundly challenging, as it demands consistent empathy and kindness from others—qualities they initially perceive as weaknesses. This is the very lesson they absorbed in their formative years.
They see their worldview validated as angry mobs of self-proclaimed "good guys" cause and celebrate intentional agitation, hurt, and violence.
If those are "good guys", then there's no good in the world, only power, winners and losers - a logical conclusion, were the premise valid, isn't it?
You’re arguing that the rest of the party should feel bad for the asshole that was kicked out.
Exactly! Vilify behaviour instead of people. Try to protect your friend that's being bullied by supporting his behaviour. Recognize that everyone can be hurt or wronged, as well as can hurt and do wrong.
In other words: be empathic.
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Its white knighting now, to not celebrate the escalation of the dumb as fuck culture wars into actual murder? OK...
To honor the memory of CK, I won’t give a single shit of empathy and accept that sometimes there are victims of gun violence
