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Anti-Leninists, what is something you'd like to tell tankies that we actually never heard?

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  • crimedad@lemmy.crimedad.workC [email protected]

    Maybe anarchists are necessary to help keep the revolutionary state honest. However, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call myself an anti-Leninist.

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    When have the anarchists accomplished anything?

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      When have the anarchists accomplished anything?

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      Paid holidays, 8 hour shifts, women's ability to vote, same-sex marriages and LGTBIQ+ rights in general... Those are ideals and achievements that started in anarchism.

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        I won't downvote anything

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        Talkies don't have a solution for what to do when you and your homies are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand, and one friend won't shut up about how everybody should go into the marsh.

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          Paid holidays, 8 hour shifts, women's ability to vote, same-sex marriages and LGTBIQ+ rights in general... Those are ideals and achievements that started in anarchism.

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          you gotta be delusional if you think those things were accomplished by anarchists lmao

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          • bennieandthez@lemmygrad.mlB [email protected]

            When have the anarchists accomplished anything?

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            Every day; all sorts of stuff from simply feeding people to high level assassinations, including a POTUS. Anarchism is a means by which the people can embarrass the government and compel corrective action to its deficiencies.

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            • bennieandthez@lemmygrad.mlB [email protected]

              Even tho we don't care about it, the US holds no moral high ground on any country.

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              Oh yeah of course, the US is an imperialist, neocolonialist power that does a tremendous amount of harm in the world.

              I'm an anarchist, so you won't find me singing the praises of any state power, for sure not the US. They do what all states do, consolidate centralized power and dominate as many people as they can.

              My point was that some folks act like anything that opposes the interests of the US is automatically good, and that's not true, ISIS opposes the US, but they're a pretty fucked up group of religious extremists, same with the Westboro Baptist Church hate group, who also oppose the US strongly, but are total scumbags.

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                We addressed this point on Prolewiki: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China#Abandoning_of_Marxism/Capitalist_restoration

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                A special kind of democracy where the leaders aren't elected huh? You have simultaneously redefined the word democracy and practiced doublethink

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                • lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.mlL [email protected]

                  "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Isn't always true. Just because a country/political faction opposes US hegemony doesn't automatically make them morally superior.

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                  Isn't it implied by using this proverb that you know they have some bad qualities?
                  Same as supporting the 'lesser evil'?
                  Also, it's hardly impossible to not be morally superior to these scumbags.

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                    I won't downvote anything

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                      Oh yeah of course, the US is an imperialist, neocolonialist power that does a tremendous amount of harm in the world.

                      I'm an anarchist, so you won't find me singing the praises of any state power, for sure not the US. They do what all states do, consolidate centralized power and dominate as many people as they can.

                      My point was that some folks act like anything that opposes the interests of the US is automatically good, and that's not true, ISIS opposes the US, but they're a pretty fucked up group of religious extremists, same with the Westboro Baptist Church hate group, who also oppose the US strongly, but are total scumbags.

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                      Regionally reactionary groups like Hamas can find themselves fighting for a globally progressive cause, just like regionally progressive groups like the SDF can find themselves strengthening globally reactionary causes.

                      US imperialism is the main reactionary force in the world, so yes entities that legitimately end up opposing US interests, regardless of their internal politics, end up fighting for a progressive cause and deserve my critical support.

                      On another note, ISIS is straight up an US pawn.

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                        French communist party

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                          I agree btw

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                            I won't downvote anything

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                            Lenin was a mushroom

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                            • yogthos@lemmy.mlY [email protected]

                              Honestly, I find there's a lot of overlap between Marxism and Anarcho-syndicalism, and I think this is essentially the correct way for the workforce to be organized.

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                              Anarcho syndicalism is snakey af

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                                A special kind of democracy where the leaders aren't elected huh? You have simultaneously redefined the word democracy and practiced doublethink

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                                Unlike in bourgeois democracies, which are really bourgeois oligarchies, representatives in in China actually are elected by the proletariat instead of pre-selected by the bourgeoisie, and it shows.

                                • Most in China Call Their Nation A Democracy, Most in U.S. Say America Isn't
                                • Long-term survey reveals Chinese government satisfaction
                                • Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says [UN] Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
                                • China’s Energy Use Per Person Surpasses Europe’s for First Time
                                • At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low
                                • China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
                                • Chinese Scientists Are Leaving the United States [for China]
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                                  Your idea is that... any politics with roots in the 20th century are irrelevant?

                                  When exactly did everyone on the planet wake up and decide history doesn't matter?

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                                    We have China

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                                      Your idea is that... any politics with roots in the 20th century are irrelevant?

                                      When exactly did everyone on the planet wake up and decide history doesn't matter?

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                                      History does matter. In the same way mass parties wouldn't have worked in 15th century Europe, they won't work now. Learning history is useful to understand how entire system of thought and action survived way past their relevance, doomed and incapable of understanding their own demise.

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                                        We have China

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                                        Have you ever spoken with an urban young mainlander? They are the most individualistic people on Earth. Beats any gun-bearing Texan everyday.

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                                          French communist party

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                                          What does that mean? The PCF is pretty much a dying party with basically no relevance.

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