Trump demands $500B in rare earths from Ukraine for continued support
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Iraq and Afghanistan are nothing like Germany or Japan and if you cannot create a stable government after 20 years of occupation, then there is no indication that more occupation would have done any better.
Frankly the notion that countries being invaded and have masses of their population slaughtered is "for their own benefit" is fascist talk.
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we’re getting it back
Only an absolute ass would consider that a loan.
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renege’s
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That’s every country in the world.
Some countries operate as administrators of shared consolidated resources. Some forget this and become America. You'll spot the difference one day.
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That has always been the plan, Ukraine proposed it way back. Art of the deal.
That's more than twice the Ukraine GDP btw
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good thing the country has tens of millions of absolute asses
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The entire war has always been about their resources
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The entirewar has always been about their resourcesFTFY
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That's the thing, those listed items arent rare earths, arent they?
As far as I know, Ukraine has some rare earth, but I don't think it's particularily much. So lets make him a deal on rare earths that arent really there.
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extortion is called "demands" if you are powerful enough
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Ever Trump press photo makes him look more and more like a 60s Batman villain. Louie the Lilac vibes.
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I mean this could actually be a good deal? If Ukraine doesn't win they won't have the material to pay up. 500B would be a realistic number to drive out Russia and secure the border.
I must be missing some details that makes this horrible.
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Fins didn't invite Nazis. Route to Norway through Finnish territory was prerequisite for much needed military supplies and weapons. After the germans were here they pretty much went where they pleased. No official military alliance was signed.
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Only an idiot would think that Ukraine would actually have half a trillion dollars worth, and that they'd give it all to the USA even if USA blackmail them here. Zelensky will say lots right now to persuade the orange one. But he also won't be in power after the war to see it through, very few leaders are retained after any way.
Ukrainian neutrality was effectively guaranteed by America, UK, and Russia when they gave up their nukes. And there is also an economic clause to this agreement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
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America Bad, yes we know
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You're right, the behavior of how Iraq and Afghanistan were handled was entirely different from either Germany or Japan after WW2.
My assertion is that the USA did too much "occupation" and not enough "governance". Both Iraq and Afghanistan essentially had anti-government resistance movements forced into pseudo-national rule without any time to develop local governance.
Once the states were broken W wanted to get out, essentially since he feared accusations of imperialism. Which kept a good twenty year plan from being implemented, and instead led to a twenty year quagmire with one of the two essentially being a failed state.
(Man, that's a lot of essentially's)
I don't mean to defend either invasion as either good for the people or necessarily for American security. I just want to point out that W's position was "go and break things then go home" which is about as imperial as a viking raid.
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Good thing everybody's respecting laws and treaties these days!
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In May 2022, President Biden signed the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act, authorizing the US military to provide Ukraine and other Eastern European countries with equipment. The law defers repayments from Ukraine indefinitely, meaning that while the government is not required to pay back these loans now, they will have to somewhere down the line — with interest.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-money-has-the-us-given-ukraine-since-russias-invasion/
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And to add to this point for everyone saying how high the number is, that's how all geopolitical negotiations work. Trumpnjust doesn't shut his mouth so we're hearing the initial ridiculously higher proposal. I'd be willing to bet if this goes through the actual number is guna be closer to 2-2.5 billion. Half of the initial proposal. Not because Trump is fuckin savy but because that's how this shit usually works.
Ukraine is getting the military support to hold its own. Plus a country's ability to hold and repay debt is what the global economy runs on so having good credit with US will likely help them in the long run.
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This is what the mafia does. Racketeering in exchange for protection... from itself (=in this case, Russia)
