Trump demands $500B in rare earths from Ukraine for continued support
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The entirewar has always beenabout their resourcesFTFY
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The assumption would be post war the support would be reconciled similar to the way we handled Lend-Lease. Most of the aid would not be recovered but a portion would over a VERY long time. The US would basically have Ukraine paying interest forever while making trade deals to reduce the principle. All of them s was a play by Zelensky to kiss the ring and secure continued support. Trump just showed the world how much of a Russian ASSet he is, again.
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Ukraine won't have a GDP without continued American support (or if Europe gets their heads out of their ass(es), highly unlikely). Your proposal is... what exactly?
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Can you elaborate on what the Finns did exactly? Or point me in the right direction. I just want to understand the parallel.
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They have like 25 Trillion of estimated rare earth minerals under their feet and most of it is on the border of Russian controlled territory.
If they make a deal to allow US companies to extract it and get security guarantees for a decade or so from the US, it might actually be a decent deal. (Assuming that the US won't randomly turn on you because they are batshit crazy)
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Basically Finland asked for military assistance from Nazi Germany to keep the Soviet Union at bay. German troop fought the Soviets on Finnish soil. And then when the war turned sour for Germany, Finland turned against Germany and kicked them out - more or less at the behest of the United States.
Finland's problem has always been its gigantic aggressive neighbor to the east - and it still has that problem today. It explained its cozy relationship with Nazi Germany by the need to keep a bigger problem at bay. And it was completely true and completely rational. But what was also true - and I know it for a fact because I talked to Finns who lived through the war and housed Germans - is that the Nazi behaved impeccably with Finland and left a very good impression, even today. The Finns aren't too proud of that but it's a fact, and it's even understandable from the point of view of individual Finns of the time.
After the war, not wanting to lose a potential ally in the newly-established Cold War, the US sort of accepted Finland's rationale and let it slide. Kind of like they did in France too, which equally deserved a lot more flak than they got.
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Well they do have rare earth minerals valued in Trillions of dollars and it's mostly all in or bodering Russian controlled territory.
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It probably will be $500 billion, but over 20 years and not factoring in investment costs.
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Yeah I get that but it just sounds absurd and douchey when you think about it. The equivalent would sorta be if someone agreed to help us if we gave them $67 Trillion worth of oil gas and wood in return.
And just from a morality/ethical standpoint it's goofy. Only help someone if they let you bend them over and rob them blind (I get it's a more nuanced than that but still, it just feels slimy)
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Military operations against Isis isn't imperialism, and it is a long shot away from other presodents' foreign policies.
The US's foreign policy under Obama and Clinton was anti-imperalist.
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Yes but it could be argued that that militarism is a form of imperialism.
Not sure if a puppet is meaningfully less imperialist than a protectorate.
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Your right.
The open ended deal is better.
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The last time he wanted dirt on his political rival. Atleast this time he is working within the boundaries of the law, even if it is skeevy AF.
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FTFY
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Historically, forcing a country into unreasonably high debt immediately following a war... is a pretty bad idea for literally all parties involved.
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and all that, and we didn't exactly have many friends to choose from.
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I titally meant 250 billion. No clue why I wrote it like that. My bad.
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Meh, the talks started with Z before elections took place and there were negotiations started August 12th-ish. I think this was Trump just trying to say some absurd number thinking that it would get Ukraine to say that's more than they wanted to give so he could act like he offered to help before giving Russia everything they ask for anytime they ask for anything.
